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Vtx531 09-08-2019 09:45 AM

Vacuum leak - smoke test shows smoke coming from under the air oil sperator
 
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Does that mean the AOS needs to be replaced? Or is there a hose underneath there? I cant really tell exactly where it is coming from.

Vtx531 09-08-2019 10:34 AM

Upon further inspection, I think it is the air oil separator boot that has come off underneath.

Has anyone replaced this before? Any tips?

There was a screw type hose clamp on it so I think that means somebody has messed with it before. Not a spring type hose clamp.

Starter986 09-08-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vtx531 (Post 602749)
Upon further inspection, I think it is the air oil separator boot that has come off underneath.

Has anyone replaced this before? Any tips?

There was a screw type hose clamp on it so I think that means somebody has messed with it before. Not a spring type hose clamp.

I replaced my AOS just a short while ago. It does have a boot that attaches from the bottom of the AOS to the engine. Yours has been replaced as evidenced by 1. The worm drive clamp, and 2. That's the newer AOS part. The newer AOS round piece on the top is vertical while the older part round top is horizontal. That said... when I removed my old AOS that bottom boot was like butter and, because I was replacing in... I just tugged at it and it came right off. When completely I pulled off the old one I just removed what was remaining of that boot.
See if you can source that boot for a better price (https://www.ebay.com/p/Porsche-Oil-Separator-Boot-996-Carrera-986-Boxster-Genuine-99610723752-Bellows/1822097375?iid=323690532260&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt =1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=323690532260&targetid=80091519685 7&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031411&poi=&campa ignid=1497794122&mkgroupid=56281259685&rlsatarget= pla-800915196857&abcId=1139466&merchantid=114749148&gc lid=EAIaIQobChMIveC3oPXB5AIVgZOzCh2hEQwMEAkYBCABEg KnVPD_BwE) and, after removing the rear wheel and shroud... go to town on it. Shouldn't take but 30 minutes jacking up the wheel.... removing shroud... removing old... installing new... reinstall shroud and wheel and your good to go.

maytag 09-08-2019 11:22 AM

Pretty sure I've got one of these floating around in a box someplace, still in the bag. It's yours for postage, if I can find it.

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thstone 09-08-2019 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vtx531 (Post 602749)
Upon further inspection, I think it is the air oil separator boot that has come off underneath.

Has anyone replaced this before? Any tips?

There was a screw type hose clamp on it so I think that means somebody has messed with it before. Not a spring type hose clamp.

This happened to my Boxster at the race track last month. Doesn't matter if its the OEM spring or an aftermarket screw type, the fix is the same - just re-attach the tube/boot and make sure that the clamp is fully engaged to hold it in place.

Vtx531 09-08-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 602754)
I replaced my AOS just a short while ago. It does have a boot that attaches from the bottom of the AOS to the engine. Yours has been replaced as evidenced by 1. The worm drive clamp, and 2. That's the newer AOS part. The newer AOS round piece on the top is vertical while the older part round top is horizontal. That said... when I removed my old AOS that bottom boot was like butter and, because I was replacing in... I just tugged at it and it came right off. When completely I pulled off the old one I just removed what was remaining of that boot.
See if you can source that boot for a better price (https://www.ebay.com/p/Porsche-Oil-Separator-Boot-996-Carrera-986-Boxster-Genuine-99610723752-Bellows/1822097375?iid=323690532260&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt =1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=323690532260&targetid=80091519685 7&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031411&poi=&campa ignid=1497794122&mkgroupid=56281259685&rlsatarget= pla-800915196857&abcId=1139466&merchantid=114749148&gc lid=EAIaIQobChMIveC3oPXB5AIVgZOzCh2hEQwMEAkYBCABEg KnVPD_BwE) and, after removing the rear wheel and shroud... go to town on it. Shouldn't take but 30 minutes jacking up the wheel.... removing shroud... removing old... installing new... reinstall shroud and wheel and your good to go.

Very informative thank you. It seemed like the boot was extremely pliable (that what you meant about butter) and very loose on the mounting. Like if I reused it would be similar to having pants that are way too big and then you cinch up the belt really tight - doesn’t work well.

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Originally Posted by maytag (Post 602756)
Pretty sure I've got one of these floating around in a box someplace, still in the bag. It's yours for postage, if I can find it.

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That would be great! Let me know


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Originally Posted by thstone (Post 602763)
This happened to my Boxster at the race track last month. Doesn't matter if its the OEM spring or an aftermarket screw type, the fix is the same - just re-attach the tube/boot and make sure that the clamp is fully engaged to hold it in place.

Glad to hear it sounds like not a really bad job thanks.

BYprodriver 09-09-2019 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 602754)
I replaced my AOS just a short while ago. It does have a boot that attaches from the bottom of the AOS to the engine. Yours has been replaced as evidenced by 1. The worm drive clamp, and 2. That's the newer AOS part. The newer AOS round piece on the top is vertical while the older part round top is horizontal. That said... when I removed my old AOS that bottom boot was like butter and, because I was replacing in... I just tugged at it and it came right off. When completely I pulled off the old one I just removed what was remaining of that boot.
See if you can source that boot for a better price (https://www.ebay.com/p/Porsche-Oil-Separator-Boot-996-Carrera-986-Boxster-Genuine-99610723752-Bellows/1822097375?iid=323690532260&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt =1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=323690532260&targetid=80091519685 7&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9031411&poi=&campa ignid=1497794122&mkgroupid=56281259685&rlsatarget= pla-800915196857&abcId=1139466&merchantid=114749148&gc lid=EAIaIQobChMIveC3oPXB5AIVgZOzCh2hEQwMEAkYBCABEg KnVPD_BwE) and, after removing the rear wheel and shroud... go to town on it. Shouldn't take but 30 minutes jacking up the wheel.... removing shroud... removing old... installing new... reinstall shroud and wheel and your good to go.

AOS diaphragm has been vertical since 1998

Starter986 09-09-2019 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 602803)
AOS diaphragm has been vertical since 1998

I replaced my AOS a while back... and it was horizontal. The new/updated one I installed the diaphragm was vertical.

Did Porsche come out with that update the same year of production? Was the car manufactured with both versions? I'm curious.

Vtx531 09-09-2019 12:51 PM

Pulled the AOS today. Pretty easy job. The lower hose quick connector was already broken from the last guy (he owned a shop) but it seems to be sealing fine.

I inspected the bellows and besides the fact that it seems out of shape (maybe from heat) I was able to reinstall and tighten a screw type hose clamp but I don’t like the fact that there is no lip on the metal fitting the bellows goes on to. Seems like it can easily come off again in the future.

The AOS was a uro parts one so obviously replaced before. Previous owners used cheap parts all over this car. For example the brake rotor hats are all rusted. Annoying.

Smoke test after was good. No smoke and the system seemed like it was holding a bit of pressure.

I pulled the negative terminal of the battery to try and reset the ECU. Let it stay disconnected for about 10 mins. When I reconnected it the car ran really rough, missing and knocking a bit (through the intake). I would have though that would reset the fuel trims and it should have ran a lot better initially? Ended up smoothing out after a minute and runs good now. No check engine light yet.

What is the proper way to reset fuel trims or ecu on this vehicle?

I think I’ll leave the uro AOS in there but maybe put on a OEM bellows. Any opinions? There was a little bit of oil in the intake but no smoke out the exhaust.

Starter986 09-09-2019 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 602803)
AOS diaphragm has been vertical since 1998

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/AOS1568073798.jpg

This was the type, horizontal, that I removed from my car replacing it with the newer/most current part, vertical. I had read that the horizontal diaphragm would often quickly fail on the horizontal model, so the part was modified with the diaphragm vertical.

Are you saying that when the car was manufactured the factories were installing both versions?

Thank you.

thstone 09-10-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vtx531 (Post 602816)
I pulled the negative terminal of the battery to try and reset the ECU. Let it stay disconnected for about 10 mins. When I reconnected it the car ran really rough, missing and knocking a bit (through the intake). I would have though that would reset the fuel trims and it should have ran a lot better initially? Ended up smoothing out after a minute and runs good now. No check engine light yet.

What is the proper way to reset fuel trims or ecu on this vehicle?

Its normal for the engine to run like crap for a bit after resetting the ECU. Resetting the ECU also resets the fuel trims. The ECU will continue to vary the fuel trims as you drive in varying conditions (cold, warm, hot, idle, mid-throttle, full throttle, etc) to find the optimal settings.

Starter986 09-11-2019 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 602826)
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/AOS1568073798.jpg

This was the type, horizontal, that I removed from my car replacing it with the newer/most current part, vertical. I had read that the horizontal diaphragm would often quickly fail on the horizontal model, so the part was modified with the diaphragm vertical.

Are you saying that when the car was manufactured the factories were installing both versions?

Thank you.

BYprodriver, did I stump you or are you still scouring the interwebs looking for the content that will substantiate your claim?

BYprodriver 09-11-2019 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 602952)
BYprodriver, did I stump you or are you still scouring the interwebs looking for the content that will substantiate your claim?

No it's called hands on experience.

Starter986 09-11-2019 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 602974)
No it's called hands on experience.

Oh, I know. I know you know I know you know your ****************. ;) You're on my go-to list when I run a search. Several times I've pulled up a bookmark referencing your particular-scenario advice and recommendation, and they haven't failed me. 986 members following your advice have, collectively, saved... at least $1,000,000. At least.

My hat is off to your wisdom. :cheers:

BYprodriver 09-11-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 602808)
I replaced my AOS a while back... and it was horizontal. The new/updated one I installed the diaphragm was vertical.

Did Porsche come out with that update the same year of production? Was the car manufactured with both versions? I'm curious.

I believe it was phased in late 1998.

My Motorsport AOS has a horizontial diaphram.

Vtx531 09-17-2019 05:28 AM

Well, check engine light came back on. Reason being - the boot slipped off again. I didn’t think it would last long. How is there not a retaining lip molded into the mounting on the engine? Grrrrr

Vtx531 09-18-2019 06:13 AM

See this thread... http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/76231-aos-2-diff-models-boot-no-boot-year.html#post603393

Vtx531 09-22-2019 07:37 PM

Replaced AOS with genuine Porsche unit. CEL is back P1126 P1133. Maybe another smoke test is in order but it seems like it is cutting out and hesitating when under load and snapshot showed CEL triggered at 18.8% load.

Any thoughts? Perhaps I need to run some graphing software to see what is going on at higher loads?

Latest snapshot:

P1126
Sys1 CL
Sys2 CL
Load 18.8%
ETC 187 degrees
Sft1 19.5
Lft1 28.9
Sft2 18.0
Lft2 26.6
Rpm 2440
Vss 45

Prior to replacing AOS and resecuring the boot I was getting P1128/P1130 triggered with P1126/P1133 pending.

Prior snapshot:

P1128
Sys1 CL
Sys2 CL
Load 2.0%
ETC 226 degrees (had overheating issue that is now fixed)
Sft1 -3.9
Lft1 14.1
Sft2 -4.7
Lft2 13.3
Rpm 680
Vss 0

The original code/snapshot looks like a classic vacuum leak but the new one maybe a MAF sensor?

Any help appreciated!

blue62 09-22-2019 08:01 PM

What year is the car?
Miles?

Vtx531 09-22-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blue62 (Post 603706)
What year is the car?
Miles?

2001 100,000 miles


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