09-13-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Kill
I don’t think an apology is in order if this works out:
Think about the world we live in – phishing, lots of cons. All cons, and most phishing is based off of the same principle: they rely on getting the victim’s participation and buy in by making them think they are getting something for nothing (or are getting a deal that is slanted in their favor). This victim becomes emotionally involved and therefore doesn’t look at the deal objectively.
“I deposit $2million in your bank account if you just give me the number.”
“I will give you a free exhaust if you give me $1,000 that I promise to give back to you”
No we do not owe Che an apology. If Che’s exhaust turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread, believe me, we will hear about it and he will be a celebrity on this board. Regardless though, it will be important for Che to learn about how he is marketing his product and representing his business.
If you are truly on the up and up, your business deals should also appear beyond reproach.
If this exhaust deal works well, and Che learns to improve his marketing approach, both guys win. No apology necessary.
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You're comparing this to a phishing attack???? Seriously???? For REAL????
You must be joking. Did you fail to notice that this guy came in with verifiable references? You are not even giving him a chance to prove himself before you are convicting him of being a scam artist. With all due respect your profile says you are an auditor and I really don't think you are qualified to be critisizing anyone in the marketing approach of a small business. The first thing the SBA teaches you is big DOES NOT = small. This is ridiculous.
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09-13-2006, 09:30 PM
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Dr. Kill is merely stating the fact that we do not live in a perfect world and I tend to agree with him. The mention about $1000 is inaccurate because the exhaust is no longer required a deposit (thanks for Jeffsquire).
And no, I do not doubt Che's credentials, only that I do not agree with Che's approach. It is not related with how big or small business(es) he has, or what degree he has, it is more related to fair business practice.
I don't see any reason for an apology either, because his approach is "questionable" (see my previous posts) in the first place and we have the right to give him a piece of our mind. If our opinion sounded mean, then so be it. He is an adult and can take our opinions just fine.
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Originally Posted by der Geist
You're comparing this to a phishing attack???? Seriously???? For REAL????
You must be joking. Did you fail to notice that this guy came in with verifiable references? You are not even giving him a chance to prove himself before you are convicting him of being a scam artist. With all due respect your profile says you are an auditor and I really don't think you are qualified to be critisizing anyone in the marketing approach of a small business. The first thing the SBA teaches you is big DOES NOT = small. This is ridiculous.
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09-19-2006, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by der Geist
You're comparing this to a phishing attack???? Seriously???? For REAL????
You must be joking. Did you fail to notice that this guy came in with verifiable references? You are not even giving him a chance to prove himself before you are convicting him of being a scam artist. With all due respect your profile says you are an auditor and I really don't think you are qualified to be critisizing anyone in the marketing approach of a small business. The first thing the SBA teaches you is big DOES NOT = small. This is ridiculous.
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No, I am not convicting him and I am not comparing this to Phishing attack. I am merely pointing out that people may not be 100% open to an offer like this because of the way it was presented.
On a side note, I do appreciate you letting me know that you do not think I am qualified to market a small business idea. I will be sure to tell my business partner about your concerns.
Last edited by Dr. Kill; 09-19-2006 at 01:05 PM.
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09-20-2006, 10:50 AM
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Location: Texas
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Dfw
delubozparts,
I noticed you are in the DFW area, do you have a shop/warehouse that I could come by and visit?
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09-20-2006, 11:07 AM
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I received the headers and exhaust as expected this afternoon via UPS. The exhaust looks simply fabulous, and I can carry it around in one hand. I'm betting it's half the weight of the stock exhaust.
Headers look nice too... well made and lightweight. I've not lifted my factory headers that are on the car now, so I don't know what weight savings I will pick up there, but it also has to be sizeable when compared to the weight of the stock headers.
I have an appointment with the dyno/installer tomorrow at 9 am here in Houston. If all goes well, and there are no installation issues that drag it out more than a few hours, I will be sending my dyno reports and installation info to Che tomorrow night.
Wish me luck... I'm going in!
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09-20-2006, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour
Wish me luck... I'm going in!
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Good luck sir. It sounds promising.
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09-20-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour
Wish me luck... I'm going in!
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Hi,
Good Luck! Fingers crossed...
Happy Motoring!... Jim''99
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09-20-2006, 03:06 PM
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Randall,
I dont think your going to need luck. Its just an exhaust, not minimizing you exhaust I would be excited! Whats the worst that could happen? Low dyno numbers a broken bolt, big deal. I think your going to love it, when you do I want a sound clip. If it sounds good I will strongly consider the muffler system.
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09-20-2006, 03:23 PM
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cant wait to hear the results.
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