06-02-2016, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
If the bits are ferrous, you have a problem somewhere.
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IDK,, that filters there for a reason, i would imagine you'd find some in any filter after 5k miles. Nothing to compare it to, though. Have you ever cracked yours open?
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06-02-2016, 06:17 PM
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Location: California Central Coast
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Originally Posted by SilverSSS
IDK,, that filters there for a reason, i would imagine you'd find some in any filter after 5k miles. Nothing to compare it to, though. Have you ever cracked yours open?
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I'd imagine JFPinPA has cut his share open. It is routine and not something new. For comparison this is the metal caught by a Filtermag on my engine at last oil change 4,100 mi, 93k on engine.
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06-02-2016, 08:32 PM
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911monty,, those tiny dots distributed randomly around the inside of the metal cylinder your holding right? That's about what I'm seeing> Thank You So much, i feel better, seemed normal to me. you have to put eyes on it, and that's not always possible, T/Y.
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06-03-2016, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSSS
911monty,, those tiny dots distributed randomly around the inside of the metal cylinder your holding right? That's about what I'm seeing> Thank You So much, i feel better, seemed normal to me. you have to put eyes on it, and that's not always possible, T/Y.
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What he is showing you is the ultra fine ferrous grit that normally passes right through your oil filter and continues to collect and circulate in your oil unless you:
- Add a "full flow" (read no bypass) spin on oil filter
- Use a FilterMag on the spin on housing to trap the ferrous grit and remove it with each filter change
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Last edited by JFP in PA; 06-03-2016 at 05:33 AM.
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06-03-2016, 07:40 AM
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OK, well for many reasons, including your experienced advice, I've decided to go ahead with the IMS Bearing replacement. I'll update with what they find, heck, I'll have them give me the part. t/y.
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06-03-2016, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSSS
OK, well for many reasons, including your experienced advice, I've decided to go ahead with the IMS Bearing replacement. I'll update with what they find, heck, I'll have them give me the part. t/y.
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Very bad idea. Once ferrous metal shows up in the oil filter, the car is no longer a candidate for an IMS retrofit (you can read up on this on the LN website). With ferrous flakes in the filter, there is a better than even money chance the metal will simply kill the new bearing. Any reasonable shop that got the car for this would simply say no.
The source of the metal needs to be found and repaired first.
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Last edited by JFP in PA; 06-03-2016 at 08:46 AM.
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06-03-2016, 09:20 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
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My car ('03 S) has the IMS Guardian on for about 2 years. Never a beep which is good. I cut open my filter at each change and have never found any flakes of anything, ferrous, alloy or plastic. A month ago at about 84,000 KM I determined i needed a new clutch so in she went to a local indie shop. Did clutch, flywheel, release bearing, RMS and a new LN IMS bearing. Got the old bearing back and it looked and felt fine. Grease was washed out but it was filled with clean engine oil and was smooth as silk. There was a problem with a frayed wire on the Guardian oil plug so it was not reinstalled.
Was it all worth it? I think so. Peace of mind and the fact that I will be going on a 5000-6000 KM trip in June is more reason to have things in top order. Before the trip I will be doing another oil change and at that time I will reinstall the new Guardian I got from Raby Engine Development (thanks Jud). Why am I reinstalling? Well, you can never be too careful and the Guardian will detect any ferrous bits, IMS bearing or whatever.
The car has been great to me so I'm treating it great too.
Last edited by paulofto; 06-03-2016 at 11:12 AM.
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06-03-2016, 04:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSSS
IDK,, that filters there for a reason, i would imagine you'd find some in any filter after 5k miles. Nothing to compare it to, though. Have you ever cracked yours open?
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I open about 20-30 oil filters a week in the shop; we see some synthetic bits (sealant or chain wear pad materials), a bit of aluminum (not unusual for an all alloy engine), but rarely do we see ferrous bits (other than the very fine black material caught by the FilterMag shown above). When we do find ferrous material, we become concerned and start looking further; quite often, what we find is not good.......
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