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Old 04-12-2006, 08:34 PM   #1
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I'm sorry but I don't believe butt dynoes..no offense. There have been members on here that have actually dyoed their cars and they lost hp with the EVO system which makes sense because it is not a cold air intake like the stock system.
The shield on the EVO isn't sealed and doesn't block out all the warm engine air. You could've saved yourself $400 and just desnorkled for free....even though the stock intake sound is pretty damn loud and good.


well Dude i noticed that you are running a 2003 Boxster "S" I have a 2000 boxster NON "S" so that could be the reaon your Intake is Louder Maybe its a Diffrent Style or something cause my intake isnt very loud at all Even Before i installed my exhaust BUT IM NOT SURE!!! and i have seen those Reviews about HP lose but i also Seen MORE reviews of HP GAIN so i think im going to Stick with my desision and Order a INTAKE!!!
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Old 04-12-2006, 10:10 PM   #2
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Hey Adam....HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU NEVER HAD ONE BUDDY? All I ever hear from you is negative criticism to anything aftermarket.

Yea and about the the stock intake being loud??? Might want to get your ears checked on that one...
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I'm not down on everything aftermarket....but Porsche spends millions of dollars each year on R&D and I think they put out a pretty good product right out of the "box." I used to be like you and Silver Bullet and think that I could get more hp with this and that and make the car better but after spending years sifting through info on this board and others I have changed my mind. Alot of people open pandoras box when they try to make the car faster/better. About the stock intake sound...it sounds louder to me than most cars, even alot of with aftermarket intakes. I attribute alot of that to the the placement of the intake right behind the drivers left which is has a particulary nice sound especially with top down. Maybe the S has a louder intake than a base....I'm not sure.
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I'm not down on everything aftermarket....but Porsche spends millions of dollars each year on R&D and I think they put out a pretty good product right out of the "box." I used to be like you and Silver Bullet and think that I could get more hp with this and that and make the car better but after spending years sifting through info on this board and others I have changed my mind. Alot of people open pandoras box when they try to make the car faster/better. About the stock intake sound...it sounds louder to me than most cars, even alot of with aftermarket intakes. I attribute alot of that to the the placement of the intake right behind the drivers left which is has a particulary nice sound especially with top down. Maybe the S has a louder intake than a base....I'm not sure.
Unfotunately, everything your saying however is sort of true, but there's a problem. Let me explain...

When Porsche designs the intake, it has a few criteria it must meet. It needs to fit easily in to the engine bay for working on it during warranty period. It must meet the local areas decible limit for noise and it also needs to last for an extremly long period of time.

When you make a product that needs to last really long, meet sound guidelines and fit easily in the bay you end up with a stock intake such as what is on your car now. It's good and meets Porsche's needs.

Now, you take all that away, and make one only to make the most HP possible, forget about ease of fittiment, warranty or sound limits. You can make more HP with a system that is designed for only one thing. The stock air box draws air from the inlet at the side of the car, and so will an aftermarket intake. It will sit with an open filter in the bay, but that intake will fow more CFM than the stock air box will, so even with hotter air on average the fact that your pulling more air overall is where the power is made.

You have to remember on a dyno there is no air flow so measuring the power form an intake it harder on any car. I have dynoed intakes before on Honda/Acura cars for a company I do work with. The dyno would read say 8hp increase on a Type-R with an intake vs. the factory air box. They are a really well designed box but still limited by a few factors such as noise. When you take that away, you make power period.

Now with the car moving, cold air is being shoved into all kinds of nifty little places like under the hood, and through our side vent for the intake. There is not much worry about it getting the cold air needed to make more power. It's there simply from the force of the car moving through the air.

On my GTI VR6, simply removing the air box and fitting a cone filter under the hood even though it's hot under the hood air made 8whp and took the car stock from a 14.7 1/4 mile to a 14.4 in the same afternoon (fitted at the track in 10 mins) and it's drawing all hot air under the hood, (dyno test was a month later on I switched it at the dyno while seting up my nitrous kit). I took out the headlight and went 14.3 that day from the cold air going in. So yeah the cold air made more power than the hot air but the filter alone made more power than the stock air box did.
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Intake?

So if my idle jumps around then I need new intake?
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No, but you may need a new MAF sensor. Jim, I see your point...even though there may be more hot air sucked in by the EVO intake, there is more air being sucked in overall thus the power increase. As with any aftermarket company though, the power increase of 8-10 hp on the intake alone is under optimal conditions at best. On top of that the chances of CEL's and other problems increases with such a system..you concur?
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No, but you may need a new MAF sensor. Jim, I see your point...even though there may be more hot air sucked in by the EVO intake, there is more air being sucked in overall thus the power increase. As with any aftermarket company though, the power increase of 8-10 hp on the intake alone is under optimal conditions at best. On top of that the chances of CEL's and other problems increases with such a system..you concur?
Yeah, the funny thing is they give you a new pipe for the MAF. If it's not almost perfect or perfect you do run the risk of a CE light, but thats the only reason it would. It seems from my other thread on this intake that lots of guys have it with no CE light. Evo claims no CE light, so if you got one I'm sure you could scan the car, proove the MAF fault and get your money back, but a lot of people chimed in saying that this wasn't the case, they have not had any problems at all.

As I was saying about moving air flow vs. on a dyno the 8-10hp could in fact be more once the car is moving because of so much fresh cold air being pumped into the engine bay through the side intake vent.

AEM is a perfect example for an intake company. They produce intakes for a lot of different cars. Some of their intake systems produce almost 20whp which was verified independantly by many guys who bought them and did back to back dyno's. If I remember correctly Titan motorsports (the Supra guys with the 1500whp 8 second supra) did an intake shoot out and measured whp gains on stock cars with a bunch of different intakes, and a few AEM's were tested and they all hit their WHP mark on the dyno. Funny thing is the cars gained more in the 1/4 mile than they would with say 15 extra hp thus showing that the intake makes more power once the car is moving from the cold air being more readily available than it is on the dyno while the car is standing still.

Here are a few examples:
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-6108%2002-03%20Civic%20SI.pdf - 02 Civic Si. Pretty well designed motor to start. 16.1whp and 17.7 for their cold air on the dyno.
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/21-672%202000%20325i%20CAS.pdf 00 BMW 325. Very nicely constructed system stock. Still gained 5.0hp and 5.2 ft/lbs.
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/21-462%202000%20MR-2%20Spider%20CAS.pdf 00 Toyota MR2 Spyder. Sort of the same as our cars layout, 8.5hp and 6.8ft/lbs

Three pretty different cars, all showed gains. The Civic is different because the stock air box is quite restrictive, and with that removed VTEC can really breathe. They make the box to keep the system quiet so people don't think there is something wrong with the car, so the intake makes it quite loud, but also makes good power. THe BMW and MR2 are both pretty well from stock and show solid gains.

So when they say a 8-10whp gain and show 11 on a dyno, thats believable on a 3.2L S model. For a lower model like my lowly 2.5L i would say a 5-6whp gain should be easily seen on a dyno, and more once moving really. The noise the car will make with a nice intake like that is also easily worth 15-20butt HP and say an additional 20envy HP.
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