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Brucelee 01-19-2008 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche804
the problem you guys are having is ealily fixed, a 997 rear main seal put in correctly to the correct depth, (your porsche center should know this) and a smear of high temp grease on the inside lip of the seal ( the part that meets the crankshaft) the grease stops the seal being burnt at first start up. im still waiting to see one leak after four years,


Someone should tell Porsche about this fix. Apparently, they haven't quite caught on! :D

986sport 01-19-2008 06:36 AM

I bought my 03 Boxster from my local dealer Porsche certified. A one owner new Boxster trade which had been purchased at the same dealership. 33K miles. I've put about 5K miles on the car and have seen no problems.
The dealer also had a 01 996C4 for sale, Porsche certified, with 27K miles, in which they replaced the RMS. My impression is the RMS problem is greater for the 3.4L 996s than the Boxster--from my readings. I walked away from the 996 because of it. You can improve the sealer, but you can't improve the shaft if there is a tolerance problem.
My Boxster has no history of RMS problems, and none after 5K miles I've put on it.
I wonder how much RMS problems have to do with how the car is driven? Some of these cars get pampered, some get driven hard (track, etc.) That has to be a factor. Mine gets driven like an average car. Sporty transportation only. Same as the previous owner. It has not used a drop of Mobil 1 oil in 5K miles.

Lucky 01-19-2008 07:56 AM

RMS: no // IMS: yes
 
I'm the 2nd owner of my 2000 S. Current mileage is 95K.

In May of '05 and after 69K trouble-free miles, the PO noticed a few drops of oil on his garage floor. He took it to the dealer that services the car and on inspection they concluded it was a RMS leak and arranged to repair. After dropping the tranny, they found the RMS was fine, but a leak at the IMS bearing cover. Dealer told him the bearing was failing and that there was no way to repair. Despite being well out of warranty, Porsche paid 75% of the engine replacement.

New engine has 25K miles on it and has no leaks.

So my car has had no RMS issue across two engines and 95K total miles. But the first engine did suffer the dreaded IMS problem, it just happened to be caught before the engine went boom.

Gary in BR 01-19-2008 09:23 AM

My car went 120k miles on the original RMS and no oil leaks at all. The only reason the RMS was changed was that I changed the clutch and assumed that I was better off changing it since we where in the area.

kbrandsma 01-19-2008 06:58 PM

Have you experienced a RMS leak? yes
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks no
Have you experienced an engine failure no
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turbo23dog 01-20-2008 05:42 PM

We are at 49 respondents and 30% report RMS leaks.

Not sure we can interpret much from this. Does the poll limit people to vote only once?

Piperdriver 02-09-2008 03:27 PM

My 2003 Boxster experienced an RMS leak at 39000 miles. No further leaks or engine problems in the last 10000 miles. My previous 1997 Boxster experienced no leaks in over 120,000 miles

fishyfishfish 02-13-2008 04:30 PM

2004 boxster s 550 SE, 65,000 miles when purchased 10/07, 67,000 miles now, 3rd owner, zero history of RMS, car has ran flawlessly, needs nothing...

Extreme916 04-03-2008 05:26 PM

Hey guys,

I am in the same boat now. I don't know what to or who to believed..

I bought the 02 Boxster @ 47KMiles. It had went through 45K service along with leak fix and etc.. So after the purchased, I took it in for yearly maintenance to make sure oil has new, air bag check and break fluid flush. After that, i noticed the small oil leak (one or two drop when i park my car) and I didn't pay attention much because I thought it could be minor/lose nut.

Now.. 18 months after that service, I am close for 60K. I took in the car today and dealer told me that the car had a major oil leak and need to fix it.. leak at rear and front. so now I really don't know who to trust and what to do..

Your advises are welcome and I hope they are not ripping me off when it was just a lose nut or need replacement nut.

:(

Thanks,
-Al.

THTABE 04-06-2008 07:12 PM

The sad trueth
 
2001 Boxster 2.7L

Have you experienced a RMS leak? YES, 28,000 replaced by dealer.
Have you experienced multiple RMS leaks? NO.
Have you experienced an engine failure? YES! 74,000 mile OIL and Water mixed.

Dealer says these things happen. In this day and age engine failure at anything under 100K or even 150K is really unacceptable. This engine bathed in Mobil 1 and was never tracked.

TB

Brucelee 04-07-2008 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Extreme916
Hey guys,

I am in the same boat now. I don't know what to or who to believed..

I bought the 02 Boxster @ 47KMiles. It had went through 45K service along with leak fix and etc.. So after the purchased, I took it in for yearly maintenance to make sure oil has new, air bag check and break fluid flush. After that, i noticed the small oil leak (one or two drop when i park my car) and I didn't pay attention much because I thought it could be minor/lose nut.

Now.. 18 months after that service, I am close for 60K. I took in the car today and dealer told me that the car had a major oil leak and need to fix it.. leak at rear and front. so now I really don't know who to trust and what to do..

Your advises are welcome and I hope they are not ripping me off when it was just a lose nut or need replacement nut.

:(

Thanks,
-Al.


Have them put the car on the lift and show you the evidence of the oil leaks. If legit, you should be able to see for yourself.

Then, shop for a good price.

Good luck.

wweirich 04-12-2008 09:38 PM

RMS Survey
 
2001 986, "S", 3.2 L, 49k miles, purchased used (3rd Owner) - originally a lease car, CT, and then to CA.

Have you experienced a RMS leak?::::::::::::: Yes (Repair is $1,284)
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks:::::: No
Have you experienced an engine failure::::::: No

The EBay dealer picked up 500 USD of the repair costs, much to our surprise, even after signging an "As Is - No Warranty" upon taking posession. I twas leaking on pick-up, a slow leak. I figured it was a minor leak. Wrong Buckwheat; It was definately a RMS failure - so, we are doing the Clutch Kit (and CV joint boots) at the same time for a grand total of just under $2.8k.

We own an aircraft, of age - 1964 - and we're used to throwing money at mechanical things to make them right. Its gratifying to see something run smooth again. I hope this repair is durable.

wmweirich@hotmail.com
Central Coast, CA
:eek:

HB986 04-12-2008 10:06 PM

2002 Boxster S. Second owner. Bought at 36k; Currently 47k.

Service records indicate transmission (6 speed), clutch, and RMS were replaced under warranty at 15k.

No reoccurrence.

No engine failure.

box_canyon 05-15-2008 08:08 PM

99 Boxster 2.5, currently has 95k miles

Engine failure: Yes, at 65k miles (I did not own then)
RMS Leak: Yes, just now developing at 95k miles (only 30k on engine) I don't think prior owner had RMS issues, just the major failure and replacement of engine.

Question: At about 30k, with a dealer replaced engine, would Porsche cover any or all of the repair costs for the RMS leak? (wishful thinking perhaps... :o )

ppbon 06-06-2008 07:43 AM

98 Boxster 2.5, currently has 171,000 miles

Engine failure: Yes, at 23k miles and out of warranty. Porsche nevertheless paid for it.

RMS Leak: Yes, very minor. It wouldn't drip on the floor of the garage, so I never bothered. Also since 3 years ago I started using Mobil 1 High Performance 15W50 and the RMS leak has completely dried up.

I'm still on my original clutch!

Happy Boxstering,
Pedro

djmunsey 07-05-2008 07:22 PM

RMS leak
 
Mine is a 2002 Boxster S with 36,000 on it. They removed the tranny due to a leak at the shift lever shaft. When they did that we inspected the clutch and it was in bad shape so we removed the clutch and put a new one in. I had a RMS leak so I had them do the kit for that and for the Intermediate shaft too even though it wasn't leaking. All evidence is that my car was abused pretty hard. I am the 2nd owner.

sfkjeld 08-10-2008 11:30 AM

slip #4 sleeve at 33k on a 2000 S
 
Perfect car. Just had a major service last month. No issues. Driving along, no warning, no overheating, no warning lights. Just kapow, oil and smoke everywhere.

Looking at $15k repair. Porsche of America declined helping me in anyway. Great company, great car. Not.

udontknowjack 06-20-2009 08:44 AM

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MarkOfZero 06-20-2009 11:34 AM

YES, I currently have one. :-(

evolvesociety 07-15-2009 10:35 PM

RMS info and suggestions.
 
Here's a link to another forum with useful information on the subject. Also, below that is the link to my project car's thread. Please read up on both and digest with your mind.

http://www.babblers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7139

My Rabbit scheme:
http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/21358-about-rabbit.html

John Brown of NOVA 07-29-2009 12:14 PM

Unusual, but my '97 986 . . .
 
suffered a FRONT main seal leak. More of seap, but oil was running back underneath the engine so I had my Porsche dealer replace that seal 2 years ago and since then, it's been bone dry. RMS remains bone dry.

cabjose 08-01-2009 05:20 PM

RMS--does it affect triptronic tranny boxsters?
 
All: have a 2002 Boxster S with 45K miles--no leaks yet--I bought the car as second owner at 20K miles. Do I need to worry about RMS failure? Thanks, cabjose.

mrwiglzs 09-27-2009 07:12 PM

small oil leak
 
Cant for the life of me find where my oil leak is coming from...I have a 98 boxster (AT-Triptronic) Does the RMS issue include automatic transmissions? Does anyone know how you can distinquish from the different types of oil leaks? I found oil on the top of my engine.....? It seems to be dripping down a small hose on the bottom of car.....I have read on one site that if you see oil on top of engine it can be the "oil return tube"???

lee-enfield 10-15-2009 08:24 AM

2001 Boxster S with Tiptronic. Purchased used in 2005, now at 23K miles with no sign of RMS leak yet. Only maintenance has been oil changes at 3K mile intervals.

mdimant 01-31-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfkjeld
Perfect car. Just had a major service last month. No issues. Driving along, no warning, no overheating, no warning lights. Just kapow, oil and smoke everywhere.

Looking at $15k repair. Porsche of America declined helping me in anyway. Great company, great car. Not.

Great chance tomake lemonade out of lemons perhaps. I have the same sled & I'd love to drop a 3.8l beast in it. It's 10 years old. They are all 'pre owned ' by now & many by satan himself I'm sure. I'm sorry for your loss, however I'm sure a solution will present itself. There's nothing cheap about owning these cars.

mdimant 01-31-2010 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brucelee
Have them put the car on the lift and show you the evidence of the oil leaks. If legit, you should be able to see for yourself.

Then, shop for a good price.

Good luck.

Hey Bruce, I'd try what a guy did about 8 msgs above yours. He had a leak & switched to Mobil 1 High Performance 5-50 I think it was & his leaks dried up b4 long. Trusting these guys is tough, none of us want to pay the piper, but boy do we love to bang the gears!

James_Knot 02-25-2010 11:58 AM

Engine Problems
 
I purchased a 2003 Boxster with 34k on it. I purchased it from a non Porsche dealer.
I was familiar with the IMS issue and purchased a bronze warranty from Mercury Insurance. It will handle a catastrophic failure but not much else. It cost $2k for 3 years. $100 deductible.

I have put 12K on it in 4 months. (Fun to drive) I had the 45K service done at the dealer and gave them the warranty. Turns out my engine mounts had worn out.

The dealer called Mercury and Mercury paid for new ones and installation less my $100. I think it was a $400 job.

No leaks or IMS failure yet but I guess here is my thought.

A used Boxster is a pretty great car for the price. Even if some have the IMS failure one can manage the risk. I got a great car for $24000 including the warranty. That is pretty reasonable for the other convertible sports cars I could have purchased. I looked at them all. I really love my car. It runs through tires but I knew that. It might have a IMD failure but I knew that too.

I'm 55, a young owner for the boxster, live a little.
James

just_me 10-29-2010 01:41 PM

my data
 
Please answer yes or no to the following questions related to RMS and engine failure. Please include particular information in your response regarding the year, mileage, model, whether the car was purchased new or used, transmission type, driving style and adherence to scheduled maintenance and break-in recommendations. Thanks for participating. (hope this appears as intended)


Have you experienced a RMS leak? (/no)
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks (/no)
Have you experienced an engine failure (/no)

2004
5-sp
33800 mi
bought new
driven with spirit on roads, but try to be smooth
tracked ~6 days/yr. Auto-X ~ 8 days/yr.
anal about break-in, maint (2 x factory schedule on oil)
alwasy drive easy until warm
use thicker oil that >> ACEA A3 HTHS
perform 90% of my own service

Timbo2 04-29-2011 11:56 AM

[QUOTE=MikenOH]Please answer yes or no to the following questions related to RMS and engine failure. Please include particular information in your response regarding the year, mileage, model, whether the car was purchased new or used, transmission type, driving style and adherence to scheduled maintenance and break-in recommendations. Thanks for participating. (hope this appears as intended)


Have you experienced a RMS leak? Yes
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks No
Have you experienced an engine failure No

2001 3.2S Manual 43K miles Manufacturers service intervals adhered to. Bought used 4 months ago. RMS was weeping slightly when I bought the car (4K miles ago) and has not become any worse. Oil consumption = 0. Very varied driving style from gentle to flat out.

ProjectM96 08-19-2011 05:17 AM

Have you experienced a RMS leak? No
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks No
Have you experienced an engine failure No

2000 Boxster 2.7L 5 Speed Manual.
82,000 miles.
Regularly serviced at Porsche dealer for most of its life according to Carfax report.

It went through 1 water pump, 4 light bulbs, and two O2 sensors in its life.
The only problem I have now is a small vacuum leak somewhere.

jb92563 05-24-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just_me (Post 229840)
Please answer yes or no to the following questions related to RMS and engine failure. Please include particular information in your response regarding the year, mileage, model, whether the car was purchased new or used, transmission type, driving style and adherence to scheduled maintenance and break-in recommendations. Thanks for participating. (hope this appears as intended)



Have you experienced a RMS leak? (yes)
Have you experienced mutiple RMS leaks (no)
Have you experienced an engine failure (no)

2001 S
6-sp
40,000 mi
1st owner replaced RMS

No problem since then, now at 55,000 mi

doragman 05-25-2012 02:35 PM

99 986 with great engine history
 
Have you experienced a RMS leak? (no)
Have you experienced multiple RMS leaks (no)
Have you experienced an engine failure (no)

1999
5 speed
58,600 mi

Not a daily driver, but warm up engine good before I let the rpm's run

recycledsixtie 05-26-2012 05:00 AM

2001 Boxster base...
 
Have I exper. RMS leak - PPI says says minor mist/oil leak from RMS a year ago.Left it as is
Multiple - no.
Engine fail? No

3rd owner. Purchased at 35 k miles.
Now 40k miles.
5 speed
On original IMS.

Vista glass 06-02-2012 10:48 PM

1998 base model , manual trans, 78,000, 2nd owner, no records, regular maitenance since I have had it. NO RMS leaks. Mobile 1 @ 5000 mile intervals. Spirited driving after warmup. Just renewed the clutch. Replaced the IMSB while in there with an LNE kit. The original IMS bearing appeared to be in perfect shape so maybe there was maitenance by the previous owner

tennessee stud 07-06-2012 10:15 AM

have a 2001 boxster s, 42,000 miles,no leaks!GOD bless

edwardneff94 07-18-2012 07:34 PM

2002 boxster S with 55,000 miles, no leaks but did brake a timing chain, unsure of other damage as i am just starting to get into the engine.

Boxster Dave 08-03-2012 02:56 PM

2004 Boxster, tiptronic, 20,000 miles. No leaks, no failure!

Eric G 08-06-2012 05:49 PM

Well I have the RMS exposed in my build and at 90K miles I found that there is a small leak that has been dripping into the bell housing. Has not made it down to the point of dripping out and will not with the new seal going in next week.

LuvTheBoxsterS 08-10-2012 02:52 AM

Ims
 
Been reading a lot about IMS issues for several months. Decided to move ahead and have it done. Also had a new clutch, RMS, water pump, and 160 stat. Picked up the car yesterday and glad I spent the $4k. The IMS may have lasted another 10k but the shop doubted it would. Even an non mechanic like me saw the issue with the bearing.

For those of you who are debating whether to move forward, just do it.

Most parts were from LN Engineering.


2004 Boxster S 44K
Fabspeed Maxflo Muffs, BMC air filter, EXU upgrade

Frank M 08-10-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuvTheBoxsterS (Post 301079)
Picked up the car yesterday and glad I spent the $4k. The IMS may have lasted another 10k but the shop doubted it would. Even an non mechanic like me saw the issue with the bearing.

For those of you who are debating whether to move forward, just do it.

it would be great if those that have found questionable bearings could post pics of it..
FM


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