Go Back   986 Forum - for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Performance and Technical chat

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-10-2010, 02:18 AM   #1
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tampa
Posts: 23
Jake Raby Question

Local dealer says $1200.00 for IMS LN Engineering bearing in a manual trans and

about $2000.00 for a Tiptronic, which I have. Does this sound right? Is there that

much more involved in the Tip removal to install the bearing?
996tt2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 05:55 AM   #2
Engine Surgeon
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland GA USA
Posts: 2,424
Quote:
Originally Posted by 996tt2002
Local dealer says $1200.00 for IMS LN Engineering bearing in a manual trans and

about $2000.00 for a Tiptronic, which I have. Does this sound right? Is there that

much more involved in the Tip removal to install the bearing?
Everything is more difficult with a tip. I charge 500.00 more to do the procedure to a tip car than a manual.

Those prices are dirt cheap, they must be hungry over there!
__________________
Jake Raby/www.flat6innovations.com
IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
Jake Raby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:34 AM   #3
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Depends on the day of the week....
Posts: 1,400
Not sure about the Boxster, but in the 996 cars the engine and gearbox must be dropped as a unit, and then separated out of the car, which is not a fun job in and of itself, as access to the bolts to that hold the torque converter to the flexplate (flywheel on an automatic car) is through the opening in the bellhousing where the starer sits (you remove the starter).

Those prices seem pretty reasonable for the amount of work involved.
__________________
Boxster S
Cloudsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:42 AM   #4
Engine Surgeon
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland GA USA
Posts: 2,424
In a Boxster the Tip tranny can be removed with the engine remaining in the car, but it is no fun at all.

I'd never do an IMS procedure for that kind of money, but then again we do way more than just the retrofit and we helped develop the tools and procedure.
__________________
Jake Raby/www.flat6innovations.com
IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
Jake Raby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:57 AM   #5
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tampa
Posts: 23
Thank you for the information. $1200 seemed like pretty cheap IMS "insurance"

to me.

This quote over the phone was from Reeves Imports, the local Porsche dealer

here in Tampa. They usually anren't considered the cheapest place to have work

done!

Didn't even ask about a PCA discount which they normally give!

Rob C.
996tt2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 07:08 AM   #6
Porscheectomy
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 3,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by 996tt2002
Thank you for the information. $1200 seemed like pretty cheap IMS "insurance"

to me.

This quote over the phone was from Reeves Imports, the local Porsche dealer

here in Tampa. They usually anren't considered the cheapest place to have work

done!

Didn't even ask about a PCA discount which they normally give!

Rob C.
That's pretty close to the labor when I had mine done on a manual transmission. $1200 doesn't include the bearing and puller tool, right?
blue2000s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 09:03 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 150
Garage
The guy I bring my S to, recommended by a board member, so far has been great and I am very impressed with his work. Top quality.
For the clutch replacement he charges $430 on labor. I imagine doing the IMS at the same time he would charge me probably another $210-300 at the most (labor only). As the IMS retrofit kit is in the $700-800 ballpark from what I know, a full clutch replacement plus IMS kit would not cost more than $1800-1900 what is very cheap considering what you are getting for.
Others may charge way more per hour than this guy over here does.
Anyone has any idea how much more work it is to replace the IMS once you are already doing the clutch? I mean if you need 6-7 hours to do the clutch, how much more labor (timewise) to do the IMS?

I guess that is what we get when healthcare is free. Cheaper labor overall.

CR

Last edited by crod; 06-10-2010 at 09:05 AM.
crod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 10:33 AM   #8
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tampa
Posts: 23
I asked what it would cost to have the IMS bearing replaced and this is what I

was told 1200man/2000tip. I assumed that included the part/s. Hopefully a

$600 IMS bearing was not going to be a later surprise as an additional cost

on top of the $1200.
996tt2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 10:41 AM   #9
Porscheectomy
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 3,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by 996tt2002
I asked what it would cost to have the IMS bearing replaced and this is what I

was told 1200man/2000tip. I assumed that included the part/s. Hopefully a

$600 IMS bearing was not going to be a later surprise as an additional cost

on top of the $1200.
Might want to ask. Note that the different bearings have different prices.
blue2000s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 11:07 AM   #10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sanford NC
Posts: 2,318
Ask the question this way

What is the total charge on a '03 TIP to install the LN IMS bearing bolt, cover etc parts and labor all included.

Then ask how many they have done.

They are probably quoting the factory parts.
mikefocke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 11:55 AM   #11
Registered User
 
jcb986's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,266
If your 986 is 02 and older and a TIP, I would not worry about it my self. Mine is a 2000 S with a 3.2 with 68K. Usually the IMS fails before the 60K mark. If it's stick I would maybe consider it when I needed a new clutch.
__________________
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/x...6/PC120055.jpg

Old Hippie Young Heart
2000 S/3.2 Liter/Tiptronic/Boxster S Sport Package/Cruise Control/Slate Grey Metallic
Red Special Leather Interior/Red Floor Mats/Red Hand Painted Instrument Dials/Roll Bar/Windstop
Small Carbon Package/Leather Wrap Carbon Wheel/Center Console Exterior Color/Alum Carbon Shift Knob
AM/FM Radio w/CD Player & Changer/Digital Sound Package/18" Turbo Wheels/Wheel Caps w/Colored Crest
jcb986 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 12:43 PM   #12
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tampa
Posts: 23
It is a 1998 Tiptronic, 26K mi.

I asked about the LN Engineering IMS bearing when I spoke to the service

advisor. They are listed on the LN Eng web site as installers and I wanted to

make sure they still were.

I'll call again tomorrow for clarification.
996tt2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 05:42 PM   #13
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Depends on the day of the week....
Posts: 1,400
If a 98, you certainly have the dual row bearing, which I would worry considerably less about. Being a 98, I'd be much more concerned about the risk of suffering a slipped sleeve.
__________________
Boxster S
Cloudsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:07 PM   #14
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 38
Not sure I would agree with that anymore... I just recently did the IMS bearing retrofit on my 2000 Boxster S 70k miles 6-speed, lets just say the factory dual row bearing was not looking too good. I was very glad I had it replaced along with a new clutch and RMS. There was way too much play in the center bolt and when rotating the bearing you could feel the grittiness of worn bearings as it turned.
__________________
David - San Jose, CA

David - San Jose, CA
Current: 2010 Touareg V6 TDI, stock for now...
Current: 2000 Boxster S, stock for now...
Former: 2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo... too many issues!
Former: 1999 996 C2, sorely missed
Reborn996 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 08:14 AM   #15
Registered User
 
BYprodriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: O.C. CA
Posts: 3,172
Garage
Sounds exactly like my 2000 S @ 88,500 miles when I tried to remove the seal frome the IMS bearing the bearing outer race came off also & bearings spilled out.
BYprodriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2010, 07:27 AM   #16
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Depends on the day of the week....
Posts: 1,400
Sounds like we can all retract our statements that the dual row bearing is more reliable....
__________________
Boxster S
Cloudsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2010, 04:02 AM   #17
Engine Surgeon
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland GA USA
Posts: 2,424
The dual row bearing is more reliable, BUT they still fail.
The dual row arrangement is twice as robust as the single.
__________________
Jake Raby/www.flat6innovations.com
IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
Jake Raby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2010, 02:41 PM   #18
Engine Surgeon
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland GA USA
Posts: 2,424
Yes. single row.
While you can't update to a dual row, you can upgrade to a hybrid ceramic single row.
__________________
Jake Raby/www.flat6innovations.com
IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
Jake Raby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2010, 03:52 PM   #19
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer
Not sure about the Boxster, but in the 996 cars the engine and gearbox must be dropped as a unit, and then separated out of the car, which is not a fun job in and of itself, as access to the bolts to that hold the torque converter to the flexplate (flywheel on an automatic car) is through the opening in the bellhousing where the starer sits (you remove the starter).

Those prices seem pretty reasonable for the amount of work involved.

WHAT?????????? I changed the clutch and RMS on my 996 turbo without dropping the engine.
__________________
Porsche 997 Turbo
Porsche Boxster S

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...og997/ava5.jpg
lardog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 07:01 AM   #20
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 3,417
Send a message via AIM to blinkwatt
Quote:
Originally Posted by lardog
WHAT?????????? I changed the clutch and RMS on my 996 turbo without dropping the engine.
996 and 996 Turbo are completely different monsters to work on....
__________________
-99' Zenith Blue 5-spd...didn't agree with a center divider on the freeway
-01' S Orient Red Metallic 6-spd...money pit...sold to buy a house
blinkwatt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page