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Old 10-19-2007, 12:54 PM   #1
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The Imagine site has numbers problems.

First, 80hp gain over 150hp base is not 38%, it's 53%.

Second, if they are using about 5 psi, there is no way they can approach even 38%. The theoretical max in ideal conditions is 6.8% increase per 1 psi; 5 psi would therefore be a 34% increase, max, assuming all other factors perform at their theoretical performance limits. Operating over 5psi is an iffy proposition without an intercooler, so they can't be getting 38%, let alone 53%.

Lastly, it's not all about peak power; it's where in the rpm range the power happens. If you were to overlay the two dyno curves of the Imagine blower and the twin turbo, I bet the turbo curve is a lot higher than the blower curve at lower rpms. Even if the blower were to provide more peak power, it's going to do it at much higher rpms; the turbo car would be far in front of the blown car by that point.

A supercharger can't build boost until the revs are up, unlike a propertly tuned turbo setup. What you want is performance at lower rpms, unless you are at the track and never let things get below 5000...

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Gary,

Just wondering, how is it that the Turbo provides more power than the Supercharger ?

Imagine Auto's website claims approx. 80 additional hp :

http://www.imagineauto.com/boxster%20sc.htm

While TurboWerks claims an additional 65 hp :

http://www.turbowerx.com/Products/BoxsterTurbo/BoxsterTurbo.html

Thanks !

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Old 10-19-2007, 04:16 PM   #2
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The supercharger kit uses 4psi and the turbo kit uses 6psi and a intercooler.

Let me add some real world results to this conversation...

http://turbowerx.com/external_pictures/TWX_iA_overlay.jpg


My base line with a OEM 2.5 plus EVO intake desnorkeled

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finally the turbo overlay.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:48 AM   #3
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Wow...that pretty much tells the story.

The turbo system equals the supercharger's peak torque, as early as 3000 rpm! The blower doesn't get to its torque peak until 6000 rpm...

Not to mention the turbo generates 29% more torque at its peak.

There is no comparison. And as for the Imagine website claims...
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:04 PM   #4
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I contacted these guys last week and I plan on going by to drive one of the development cars. The price for the Boxster S turbo kit is resonable.

How worried should I be about the motor blowing up?

I am really thinking hard that I will do this. They claim reliablity is the same as stock.
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"Let me add some real world results to this conversation...

http://turbowerx.com/external_pictu..._iA_overlay.jpg


My base line with a OEM 2.5 plus EVO intake desnorkeled"


Wow, thats great, just what I like to see, a comparative dyno run, it really does tell the story. Too bad the compression on the 2.7L makes a turbo problematic.

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Old 10-24-2007, 05:53 AM   #6
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what is the compression difference between the 2.5 and 2.7??
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I was looking over the turbowerx site and it looks interesting. Maybe some of you guys can answer a few questions. I've never considered a turbo before because of the price ( I think the TTP one is over $15k). It says the S system is going to be available soon! I was looking over the list and it mentioned ECU reprogram. Do you send them your ECU? No CEL issues either? Anybody know what they charge to install this turbo kit?

Custom Garrett turbo technology
• High-capacity intercooler with custom air-ducting/panels
• Proprietary ECU re-programming
• All-stainless turbo piping
• Full 3” intake piping
• Full 2.5” stainless boost piping
• Full 2.5” stainless down-piping
• Zero-resonance stainless exhaust
• Twin stainless tips
• Turbo oil pump/scavenging system
• Compatibility with most aftermarket headers
• Emissions compliant/no CELs
• All necessary parts, screws, bolts, brackets, etc.
• Full color Installation Manual
• One weekend installation
• Limited warranty

Looking over this picture I'm guessing you have to chop/weld your headers? What brand of headers are these pictured?
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