Thanks Trump

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by piper6909

It's also hard to argue with his affinity for despots and his dictator-like tendencies. Nor can you argue with the fact that he's lied to us over 10,000 times since 2016.

He claims he's a great businessman, but you can't see his taxes.
He claims he's smart, but you can't see his school records.
He claims he's exonerated, but you can't see the Mueller report.

The worst lie of all? "I will hire the BEST people."

The very few that were not corrupt and/or incompetent are gone.

Great businessmen don't have multiple bankruptcies.

We do know his Bachelor degree was not awarded with any honors... and he has no Master's degree.

We have the emails proving that his half-wit son, useless son-in-law and Manafort met with numerous Russians for the purpose of getting 'dirt' on Hillary - what more proof does one need???

He was a reality show host and many of his followers confuse reality shows with reality.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

The worst lie of all? "I will hire the BEST people."

The very few that were not corrupt and/or incompetent are gone.

Great businessmen don't have multiple bankruptcies.

We do know his Bachelor degree was not awarded with any honors... and he has no Master's degree.

We have the emails proving that his half-wit son, useless son-in-law and Manafort met with numerous Russians for the purpose of getting 'dirt' on Hillary - what more proof does one need???

He was a reality show host and many of his followers confuse reality shows with reality.

And remember when he was all over Obama for golfing? "I'll never leave the White House, I'll have too much work to do!" LMAO!

[Starter986]

Lol... Lindsey Graham.

This is the most entertaining & productive Presidency I can recall, and my "first" President was Kennedy.

Welcome, Donin. Yeah... businessman. Business men fail. At least he's not an attorney. And emails... where's that server?

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by maytag

296k jobs.
3.6% unemployment.
Lowest since December 1969.
In 45 days, we'll be in the longest- lasting economic expansion in our nation's history.

It's pretty hard to argue with some of this stuff.
If only we could keep him away from Twitter. And cameras. I don't remember a politician who spent more time cramming both feet into his mouth.

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Correction 263k jobs. which puts the Trump average at 205k new jobs per month. For context, the average in Obama's entire second term was 207k new jobs per month. Yes.. we are creating LESS jobs now. And I took a look at that jobs report of 263k jobs in April. It was high because February only had 56k jobs!! Flip to the page in the jobs report about manufacturing jobs and it says only 1.5% came from new factory jobs. Let me repeat that for the guys in the back, in a month with 263k new jobs less than 2% of the total came from blue collar factory jobs. And it's the same 1-2% figure we had during.....Obama. The report also listed a loss of 12k jobs in retail. I guess the extra $20 bucks in each flyover country paycheck is resulting in fewer shopping bags at JC Penney than new Wraiths at the Rolls Royce dealer near Mar-A-Lago.


let's move on to GDP. So far under the professor of putting out fires of 800 year old historic landmarks, we've averaged about 3% GDP. That's not a booming economy by any measure. It would NOT put the professor in the top five Presidents on GDP. Even Jimmy Carter had above 3% GDP. The top five were all at 4-5%. Yep Jimmy was in the top five. Let me restate the obvious: GDP doesn't go up or down because of who is in the White House. Repeating this misnomer is one of the stupider things we do as Americans.

Let's discuss this "historic unemployment". When Obama walked into the White House with the FDIC and money market accounts two days from a total meltdown the unemployment rate was 7.8%. When Mr. "I didnt know a KGB agent (yeah, like an actual Soviet era spy) was at the Trump Tower meeting on "adoptions"" was inaugurated in January 2017 the unemployment rate was at 4.8%. Anything below 5% for just about any functional economy in the world is considered full employment. After two years of the proffesor/mentor to "Tim Apple"', the unemployment rate dropped a whopping 0.5 - 0.6% per year. The best analogy of Trump taking credit for "fuller full employment" is like a marathon runner jumping into a race in the last mile, crossing the finish first and immediately proceeding to take credit for the previous 25 miles he didn't even run.

Now let's look at "the longest lasting expansion in history "... We've had 119 consecutive months of positive job creation. Trump's been in office 26 of those 119 months. By my mathematical analysis... 93 of 119 months came under the previous administration. (showing my work: 119 - 26 = 93). That means that Obama accounted for 75% of the history-making total. Thus if we subscribe to the fallacy Presidents "create jobs" then how isn't Obama getting 75% of the credit??

Point of irony: fear of rising interest rates that had previously been at near 0% for an eternity are largely what motivated businesses to take out loans for expenditures that they'd been putting off for years And pushed home buyers to take out mortgages after sitting on the sidelines all during the recovery. Basically like shaking the last of the apples out of the tree. This rise in borrowing lit a fire under the economy's butt long before the corporate tax cut went from possible to a narrow victory in the Senate. And who took to Twitter to slam the Fed's decision to raise rates? The same guy now taking credit for increased lending activity and its resulting GDP growth. Yeah Mr. "I will not repeat my own words under oath" Trump ...but everyone else who has testified under oath are the ones lying. Okay Got it.

Meanwhile a year after the corporate tax cut passed and we had our first negative year in the stock market since the crash a decade earlier and are only now back on the same same curve that we were on since the 2012 deflationary spiral in materials and fuel prices. But more importantly if you look at actual corporate earnings growth today we're not really any higher since 2012 we're just paying a lot more in our IRAs and 401Ks for the same S&P 500 stocks. Back in NJ when you pay more for the same with no added value we call that a bubble.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Correction 263k jobs. which puts the Trump average at 205k new jobs per month. For context, the average in Obama's entire second term was 207k new jobs per month. Yes.. we are creating LESS jobs now. And I took a look at that jobs report of 263k jobs in April. It was high because February only had 56k jobs!! Flip to the page in the jobs report about manufacturing jobs and it says only 1.5% came from new factory jobs. Let me repeat that for the guys in the back, in a month with 263k new jobs less than 2% of the total came from blue collar factory jobs. And it's the same 1-2% figure we had during.....Obama. The report also listed a loss of 12k jobs in retail. I guess the extra $20 bucks in each flyover country paycheck is resulting in fewer shopping bags at JC Penney than new Wraiths at the Rolls Royce dealer near Mar-A-Lago.


let's move on to GDP. So far under the professor of putting out fires of 800 year old historic landmarks, we've averaged about 3% GDP. That's not a booming economy by any measure. It would NOT put the professor in the top five Presidents on GDP. Even Jimmy Carter had above 3% GDP. The top five were all at 4-5%. Yep Jimmy was in the top five. Let me restate the obvious: GDP doesn't go up or down because of who is in the White House. Repeating this misnomer is one of the stupider things we do as Americans.

Let's discuss this "historic unemployment". When Obama walked into the White House with the FDIC and money market accounts two days from a total meltdown the unemployment rate was 7.8%. When Mr. "I didnt know a KGB agent (yeah, like an actual Soviet era spy) was at the Trump Tower meeting on "adoptions"" was inaugurated in January 2017 the unemployment rate was at 4.8%. Anything below 5% for just about any functional economy in the world is considered full employment. After two years of the proffesor/mentor to "Tim Apple"', the unemployment rate dropped a whopping 0.5 - 0.6% per year. The best analogy of Trump taking credit for "fuller full employment" is like a marathon runner jumping into a race in the last mile, crossing the finish first and immediately proceeding to take credit for the previous 25 miles he didn't even run.

Now let's look at "the longest lasting expansion in history "... We've had 119 consecutive months of positive job creation. Trump's been in office 26 of those 119 months. By my mathematical analysis... 93 of 119 months came under the previous administration. (showing my work: 119 - 26 = 93). That means that Obama accounted for 75% of the history-making total. Thus if we subscribe to the fallacy Presidents "create jobs" then how isn't Obama getting 75% of the credit??

Point of irony: fear of rising interest rates that had previously been at near 0% for an eternity are largely what motivated businesses to take out loans for expenditures that they'd been putting off for years And pushed home buyers to take out mortgages after sitting on the sidelines all during the recovery. Basically like shaking the last of the apples out of the tree. This rise in borrowing lit a fire under the economy's butt long before the corporate tax cut went from possible to a narrow victory in the Senate. And who took to Twitter to slam the Fed's decision to raise rates? The same guy now taking credit for increased lending activity and its resulting GDP growth. Yeah Mr. "I will not repeat my own words under oath" Trump ...but everyone else who has testified under oath are the ones lying. Okay Got it.

Meanwhile a year after the corporate tax cut passed and we had our first negative year in the stock market since the crash a decade earlier and are only now back on the same same curve that we were on since the 2012 deflationary spiral in materials and fuel prices. But more importantly if you look at actual corporate earnings growth today we're not really any higher since 2012 we're just paying a lot more in our IRAs and 401Ks for the same S&P 500 stocks. Back in NJ when you pay more for the same with no added value we call that a bubble.

Those are great sound-bites and talking points.

What's your position on illegal alien immigration law violations?

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Those are great sound-bites and talking points.

What's your position on illegal alien immigration law violations?

talking points? those are basic macroeconoic figures that any analyst can cite off the top of his head proving that this is NOT a "booming" economy..
The easiest way to debunk the myths that Trump spews about "the greatest economy ever" is to simply point out that the Labor Force Participation rate was 62% when Trump came down the escalator to announce his candidacy at Trump Tower in 2016. He said 62% under Obama was "terrible ". After two years of Trump's corporate tax cuts, trade war tariffs and historic deficit spending where is the labor force participation rate today? the same!!! The percentage of Americans working for a living has not improved a lick... nearly 40% of this country are NOT working for a living. When an economy is actually booming that number is going UP not waffling a tenth of a point here and there, up and down. The number of hours in a workweek is another revealing figure, that's also stuck at 35 hours since Trump took over. Wage increases similarly are stagnant, nothing more than 0.1% movement. Some raise! And for all his talk of trade wars the ISM manufacturing index is LOWER today than when Obama was in office. Have you been following the cratering of auto sales? Down 6-8% depending on who is reporting. A sudden drop in auto sales is NOT a sign of a booming economy. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a single leading or lagging indicator that has shown robust and continuous improvement consistent with what we usually seen in an expanding boom economy like in the Reagan and Bill Clinton eras.

so what about immigration? WE NEED MORE!! There are close to 80 million baby boomers who are ageing out of the workforce that are not being replaced with new workers at anything near the level needed to sustain even our lackluster 2-3% GDP growth. If Trump woke up tomorrow and said "you know what screw ICE let's just give every single undocumented worker legal status with working papers and approve another 10 million waiting to come in".... the country would still be short of replacing all the manual labor that has aged out of the workforce by tens of millions. But are we making it easier and not absurdly expensive to bring in these workers? Heck no. The GOP has blocked every single immigration reform bill that has hit the floor of Congress since the 1965 Immigration Act. Every last one. Even when Reagan and Bush tried to move the needle forward their own Republican party blocked them. The only immigration reform the GOP is interested is lowering legal immigration and making it next to impossible financially.

There has not been a single period of economic expansion in this country's history without a significant increase in low skills immigrant workers. What most don't realize is that we only permit 300k to 400k legal work visas per year when U.S. employers need to hire several million per year. After a decade of obstructing immigration reform that deficit has piled up so high that the typical wait for a low skills worker is several decades long and costs the equivalent of a year's wages just for the privilege of waiting decades for an answer one way or another. Another thing people don't understand is that each country no matter how many people we illegally hire from that country receive the same share of work visas under the current absurdly low caps. Mexico and the rest of Latin America will get the same percentage of visas of the total available as a wealthy country with few if any citizens looking for work in America. Basically if you don't already have an immediate relative who is not already a naturalized citizen (lawful permanent resident is not good enough) you can't even get on the line to wait 20 years. Those people hopping fences would need to wait nearly 60 to 80 years under the current backlog that perpetuates itself with such small numbers or work visas granted.

But let's not fix the immigration system let's spend $40 billion on a wall a.k.a. the symptom of the immigration problem instead of addressing the root cause. And by the way the number of illegal crossings are still at decades lows even with the recent spike. When the Reagan and Bill Clinton economies were surging at 7-8% GDP growth in their best quarters and we were short of workers again the undocumented were pouring over the border at 1.6 million a year. Today we're only at a quarter of those figures. We allowed it to hit a million illegal crossings in the 80's and 90's because the economy was so on fire that we needed the workers no matter what. They made it only a misdemeanor to cross illegal for a reason. So that employers wouldn't be hiring felons which would put the employer in serious legal jeopardy. And no neither Trump nor the GOP for all their anti-immigration propaganda have yet to propose making illegal crossing a felony THE FIRST TIME and not just for re-entry after formal deportation. Why? because the biggest employers of undocumented workers are Republicans!! Look at how many of the Republican farming states have backed a federal mandate to require e-verify for all workers statewide. Zero. With that system in place an undocumented worker is discovered within days. But the loss of agricultural, restaurant and hospitality workers would be severe to these low population states. It's so easy to call B.S. on all this immigration hysteria. Simply ask why their Republican senator has not introduced a bill to both raise illegal crossing to a felony and pushed for universal e-verify. But build that $40 billion dollar wall!!

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

talking points? those are basic macroeconoic figures that any analyst can cite off the top of his head proving that this is NOT a "booming" economy..
The easiest way to debunk the myths that Trump spews about "the greatest economy ever" is to simply point out that the Labor Force Participation rate was 62% when Trump came down the escalator to announce his candidacy at Trump Tower in 2016. He said 62% under Obama was "terrible ". After two years of Trump's corporate tax cuts, trade war tariffs and historic deficit spending where is the labor force participation rate today? the same!!! The percentage of Americans working for a living has not improved a lick... nearly 40% of this country are NOT working for a living. When an economy is actually booming that number is going UP not waffling a tenth of a point here and there, up and down. The number of hours in a workweek is another revealing figure, that's also stuck at 35 hours since Trump took over. Wage increases similarly are stagnant, nothing more than 0.1% movement. Some raise! And for all his talk of trade wars the ISM manufacturing index is LOWER today than when Obama was in office. Have you been following the cratering of auto sales? Down 6-8% depending on who is reporting. A sudden drop in auto sales is NOT a sign of a booming economy. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a single leading or lagging indicator that has shown robust and continuous improvement consistent with what we usually seen in an expanding boom economy like in the Reagan and Bill Clinton eras.

so what about immigration? WE NEED MORE!! There are close to 80 million baby boomers who are ageing out of the workforce that are not being replaced with new workers at anything near the level needed to sustain even our lackluster 2-3% GDP growth. If Trump woke up tomorrow and said "you know what screw ICE let's just give every single undocumented worker legal status with working papers and approve another 10 million waiting to come in".... the country would still be short of replacing all the manual labor that has aged out of the workforce by tens of millions. But are we making it easier and not absurdly expensive to bring in these workers? Heck no. The GOP has blocked every single immigration reform bill that has hit the floor of Congress since the 1965 Immigration Act. Every last one. Even when Reagan and Bush tried to move the needle forward their own Republican party blocked them. The only immigration reform the GOP is interested is lowering legal immigration and making it next to impossible financially.

There has not been a single period of economic expansion in this country's history without a significant increase in low skills immigrant workers. What most don't realize is that we only permit 300k to 400k legal work visas per year when U.S. employers need to hire several million per year. After a decade of obstructing immigration reform that deficit has piled up so high that the typical wait for a low skills worker is several decades long and costs the equivalent of a year's wages just for the privilege of waiting decades for an answer one way or another. Another thing people don't understand is that each country no matter how many people we illegally hire from that country receive the same share of work visas under the current absurdly low caps. Mexico and the rest of Latin America will get the same percentage of visas of the total available as a wealthy country with few if any citizens looking for work in America. Basically if you don't already have an immediate relative who is not already a naturalized citizen (lawful permanent resident is not good enough) you can't even get on the line to wait 20 years. Those people hopping fences would need to wait nearly 60 to 80 years under the current backlog that perpetuates itself with such small numbers or work visas granted.

But let's not fix the immigration system let's spend $40 billion on a wall a.k.a. the symptom of the immigration problem instead of addressing the root cause. And by the way the number of illegal crossings are still at decades lows even with the recent spike. When the Reagan and Bill Clinton economies were surging at 7-8% GDP growth in their best quarters and we were short of workers again the undocumented were pouring over the border at 1.6 million a year. Today we're only at a quarter of those figures. We allowed it to hit a million illegal crossings in the 80's and 90's because the economy was so on fire that we needed the workers no matter what. They made it only a misdemeanor to cross illegal for a reason. So that employers wouldn't be hiring felons which would put the employer in serious legal jeopardy. And no neither Trump nor the GOP for all their anti-immigration propaganda have yet to propose making illegal crossing a felony THE FIRST TIME and not just for re-entry after formal deportation. Why? because the biggest employers of undocumented workers are Republicans!! Look at how many of the Republican farming states have backed a federal mandate to require e-verify for all workers statewide. Zero. With that system in place an undocumented worker is discovered within days. But the loss of agricultural, restaurant and hospitality workers would be severe to these low population states. It's so easy to call B.S. on all this immigration hysteria. Simply ask why their Republican senator has not introduced a bill to both raise illegal crossing to a felony and pushed for universal e-verify. But build that $40 billion dollar wall!!

Thanks, Man. Nothing you shared seems extraordinarily out of order and, even to this political plebe, makes sense. I appreciate your candor (even though I may yank your chain on occasion).

So... why do you believe the American public is enamored with Trump? I don't agree with his every position... but I admire his tell it like it is, no BS, approach... I think Dems call it lying

Cheers!

[dghii]

I guess I'll blame Trump for responding to this thread.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by dghii

I guess I'll blame Trump for responding to this thread.

HAHA! Good one!

I actually think the thread should continue and there are good discussions to be made.

I just had to nip in the bud the dehumanization of an entire group of people. I needed to call it out. Time and again history shows us what happens when a group of people is dehumanized and the rest of us just stand idly by.

I'd love to continue the conversation about Rump though.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

HAHA! Good one!

I actually think the thread should continue and there are good discussions to be made.

I just had to nip in the bud the dehumanization of an entire group of people. I needed to call it out. Time and again history shows us what happens when a group of people is dehumanized and the rest of us just stand idly by.

I'd love to continue the conversation about Rump though.

Nip it in the bud? You think you're in charge? lol. I see right through your house of cards.

Again you reveal yourself to be a small-minded person. Clearly you lack intelligence.

Rump? You have zero class.

At least properly I assign the loser names: Clinton.

Have a nice morning. I'm going out to tool on the rides.

Next.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Rump? You have zero class.

His real name is Drumpf. They changed it. R-U-M-P is the only part of his real name that remains. Rump. I find it rather fitting.

[dghii]

10,000 documented lies....
Is this over or under the normal amount of lies for a typical politician?
What's the Mendoza line for lies?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by dghii

Is this over or under the normal amount of lies for a typical politician?

Under. Waaaaaaaay under.

[SC-986]

Originally Posted by dghii

10,000 documented lies....
Is this over or under the normal amount of lies for a typical politician?
What's the Mendoza line for lies?

Yeah, the social engineers have done a great job of polarizing the populace as evidenced by this thread. They have us arguing with each other when our ire should be directed at the lying politicians who are all playing the long game while their common agenda keeps moving forward regardless of which party is in power.

If voting led to any real changes it would be made illegal.

[dghii]

So here's the deal. If you don't like what's happening. Quit B_tching about it and do something. Nobody on this forum is going to change their allegiance and beliefs based on this thread.
Vote early and often...that's what we do in FL!!

Thing is, the Demos are eating their own trying to find anyone viable of actually having a chance in 2020. Old white guys do not appeal to the party. Bernie is like a scary relative....you try to be nice to him but quickly realize nothing he says makes any sense. Dude never had a job, never will. Lots of Ex wives though, gotta be worth something in DC. Beto is an old punk rocker whose past will not stand the scrutiny of a national election. I'm sure I'm missing many more, but not really.

Demos need to find a sanctuary city minority female, preferable LBGT and whatever letter gets added to the acronym between now and November of next year.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by dghii

So here's the deal. If you don't like what's happening. Quit B_tching about it and do something. Nobody on this forum is going to change their allegiance and beliefs based on this thread.
Vote early and often...that's what we do in FL!!

Thing is, the Demos are eating their own trying to find anyone viable of actually having a chance in 2020. Old white guys do not appeal to the party. Bernie is like a scary relative....you try to be nice to him but quickly realize nothing he says makes any sense. Dude never had a job, never will. Lots of Ex wives though, gotta be worth something in DC. Beto is an old punk rocker whose past will not stand the scrutiny of a national election. I'm sure I'm missing many more, but not really.

Demos need to find a sanctuary city minority female, preferable LBGT and whatever letter gets added to the acronym between now and November of next year.

I actually believe Rump won't finish his term. Maybe wishful thinking on my part. If not Biden will clobber him in 2020. He already lost the 2016 popular vote by 3 million. And now he's lost me, and I believe millions like me who finally realize what a narcissistic con he is. Don the Con.

[dghii]

"Sadly it seems that Nationalism, AKA Fascism, is spreading like a cancer around the world. And unfortunately we have a president who is a doormat to the world's strongmen. I'm very concerned about the direction we're headed, not just here but also around the world."

Our last president was a doormat. The pictures of our saliors on their knees at the mercy of Iran Navy was all I needed. Obama's response...Pay! The man was popular, I'll say that, but he was a puppet.

Our current president scares the crap out of our adversaries as they have no idea what he's capable of doing....not a bad thing at the moment after our last Commander in Chief.

Impeach Trump? Not enough votes in the Senate to impeach. Moving for impeachment would be the best move the Republican party could hope for (just ask Slick Willy).

BTW, how are all the border babies doing? They must have all been reunited with their 'loving parents' as they're not really in the news anymore.

What else isn't news now?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

... but you're actually violating the forum rules.

1: No Flaming.

6: No profanity.

Guilty. I apologize, and digress.

Originally Posted by piper6909

So, to help me understand your position better, are ALL lawbreakers scum to you?

ALL? Oh, no! Not true-blooded American lawbreakers. Just, you know... the outsiders.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by dghii

"Sadly it seems that Nationalism, AKA Fascism, is spreading like a cancer around the world. And unfortunately we have a president who is a doormat to the world's strongmen. I'm very concerned about the direction we're headed, not just here but also around the world."

Our last president was a doormat. The pictures of our saliors on their knees at the mercy of Iran Navy was all I needed. Obama's response...Pay! The man was popular, I'll say that, but he was a puppet.

Our current president scares the crap out of our adversaries as they have no idea what he's capable of doing....not a bad thing at the moment after our last Commander in Chief.

Impeach Trump? Not enough votes in the Senate to impeach. Moving for impeachment would be the best move the Republican party could hope for (just ask Slick Willy).

BTW, how are all the border babies doing? They must have all been reunited with their 'loving parents' as they're not really in the news anymore.

What else isn't news now?

Yes, the doormat who went into Paksitan without notifying them to kill the guy who master-mined 9/11 after his predecessor had diverted his attention to Iraq.

And let's not forget the big doormat who pulled the troops out after the Lebanon barracks bombing. That sent a sign that if you attack us we'll leave. You don't think Bin Laden studied history when he planned the 9/11 attacks?

Yes, Putin, MBS, Duterte and Kim are really shaking in their boots from Rump. Maybe shaking in their boots while ejaculating in his mouth, more likely. Yes he scares the crap out of them! LMAO!

Unfortunately nothing has changed with the border babies. Too much other crap from this guy to cover. Can't stick to one subject more than a day or two before he does some other stupid/crackpot/lie/younameit thing to make new headlines.

Impeachment? You're probably right. But if you look back carefully, the Repubes fared pretty well in the House & Senate after the impeachment. Besides, don't you think impeachment over obstruction or violation of the emoluments clause or tax fraud carries just a bit more weight than lying over a blowjob?

But like I said, it may be just wishful thinking on my part.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by dghii

The pictures of our saliors on their knees at the mercy of Iran Navy was all I needed.

What else isn't news now?

Oh yes, much better to have their bodies hanging from a bridge, right? At least Obama got them home alive. And by the way, where was it said that Obama paid Iran for them to be released? This mentions none of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.%E2%80%93Iran_naval_incident

Now let's talk about Reagan and the Iran hostages. He traded arms for the hostages AND said to keep them in captivity for MONTHS until AFTER the elections. If that doesn't rile you up, then you'll have to admit, it's not about the soldiers or hostages with you.

But I digress, let's see who was better overall for our troops; Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or Obama?

Want me to look at troop mortality & attacks on them under each president and report back to you? I think you already know.

Actually, I think Bush 41 did fairly well.