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Ben006 09-16-2019 09:44 AM

Try that "wetransfer" link : https://wetransfer.com/downloads/d137d3a60625e5434cb7c77e8ac89e3520190916174325/bdfd83

It should work, it's a PDF with instructions ;)

rfuerst911sc 09-16-2019 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 603275)
it's a 10mm hole, I can't tell you what that equals too in inches :/

I'll try something to post the instructions here ;)

The existing hole is 10mm but the bolt you provide is larger than that so the existing hole has to be enlarged . I provided the info to what I had to do I suggest anyone else to measure the OD of the bolt and drill accordingly .

Terryg 09-17-2019 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 603235)
Online conversion charts state 12MM is equal to 15/32 .

Mine said that 15/32 was slightly smaller and since the whole point of the lever is to minimise slack I thought I had better ask, I am nervous that a 12mm drill bit on plastic may come out slightly more, I'll keep the speed down or maybe drill smaller and ream it out.

Thanks,

Terry

rfuerst911sc 09-18-2019 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terryg (Post 603323)
Mine said that 15/32 was slightly smaller and since the whole point of the lever is to minimise slack I thought I had better ask, I am nervous that a 12mm drill bit on plastic may come out slightly more, I'll keep the speed down or maybe drill smaller and ream it out.

Thanks,

Terry

If you can take any scrap plastic you might have and drill the 12mm hole and check for fitment . If too large then your idea of drilling smaller and reaming out is a good one . In my case 15/32 was tight I had to work the bolt to get it in which is what I wanted to eliminate any excess play .

Ben006 09-18-2019 09:15 AM

Hi guys, have you been able to download the instructions from Wetransfer ?

Yes, the hole is already 10mm with two flat spots. You have to remove the flat spots, then drill further at 10mm to make room for the long bolt.
It's how I intended to work, but it might be just fine if you drill it at 12mm and let the bolt go through !
The problem I see with that is that the nut won't be tight, and if you try to tighten it too much it will bend or break the plastic base.

Drilled at 10mm
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_9312.jpg

Bolt goes through but stops on the first plastic wall :
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_9313.jpg

Nut is tight against the wall that is against the bolt' shoulder, there is no play.
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_9314.jpg

I hope it's clearer now :)

JimmyBad 10-04-2019 12:51 PM

What’s the feedback on this?

grc0456 10-04-2019 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyBad (Post 604477)
What’s the feedback on this?



My install of the side lever has tightened up the side to side play in the shifter when in gear. I’m using in conjunction with Ben’s ball bearing SS, and I am very satisfied.


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Smallblock454 10-04-2019 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 603276)
Try that "wetransfer" link : https://wetransfer.com/downloads/d137d3a60625e5434cb7c77e8ac89e3520190916174325/bdfd83

It should work, it's a PDF with instructions ;)

The file is no longer available. Maybe you can put it on mega.nz or something else.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1570248314.jpg

Terryg 10-04-2019 08:45 PM

I haven't got near this yet, I may wait now until I go home as I have a large garage I keep it in for the winter. In the summer it is parked outside where I live while working in UK.

uniWerks Design 10-05-2019 12:03 PM

Available exclusivley in the USA through uniWerks Design. :-)

https://uniwerksdesign.com/product/bens-porsche-996-986-short-shifter/

uniWerks Design 10-05-2019 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terryg (Post 604504)
I haven't got near this yet, I may wait now until I go home as I have a large garage I keep it in for the winter. In the summer it is parked outside where I live while working in UK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 601592)
Just received an email from Chris with the install instructions , very quick service :cheers: I have purchased another shifter housing so I plan on doing the bench work this weekend . I am going to take this opportunity to strip my console down and paint it silver to match the car .


Anytime! :-) CHeers!
Chris

tommy583 10-06-2019 06:22 PM

I ordered the new part this evening. Since it's just coming down the Thru-way a couple hundred miles, I hope to have it in a few days. If so I'll have it in by the weekend and report back how well it works to clean up the side to side movement of Ben's shifter. I'm expecting a new center console to arrive this week as well. I might as well put them both in at the same time.

Ben006 10-07-2019 09:21 AM

Thanks guys for the feedbacks ;)

I'm sure you'll like it Tommy !

Thanks SmallBlock454 for the reminder, I'll fix that !


Ben

tommy583 10-10-2019 04:29 PM

Well put the part in today. Took me about an hour to remove the shifter and put the part in. I already had Ben's short shifter. I took the whole kit out of the cradle. Shifter, bearing cups and old parts. Pro tip, when putting everything back together put the new part and shifter in together. DO NOT bolt the new piece in until the shift lever and new piece are mated together. You can not get the shift lever into the cradle if you bolt the new piece in first.

Anyways it went pretty smooth. Chris sent me a PDF email of the directions. The new part really cleaned the side to side slop of the factory part. There is still a little play but, it is easy to see it's coming thru the cables. Probably caused by some slop on the transmission connections. I'll have to take a look at that at some point. I'm happy overall, I just hope it stays this way for a while before I have to change the insert. It looks like it will be a complete teardown to change the insert.

Ben006 01-13-2020 10:50 AM

Thank you for your feedback !

It is a bit more involved than just the shifter, yes !
How long did it take you ?


https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_0731.jpg

I'm working on a new prototype shifter, it will not use the Porsche shift knob but will fit any aftermarket shift knob !

Here is the first piece of the puzzle :
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/82066110.jpg


Ben

WizardSmokey 01-21-2020 09:04 PM

Hey Ben,

If you need anyone to thoroughly test your new shifter in a racecar setting, let me know! :P

maytag 01-22-2020 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy583 (Post 604836)
Well put the part in today. Took me about an hour to remove the shifter and put the part in. I already had Ben's short shifter. I took the whole kit out of the cradle. Shifter, bearing cups and old parts. Pro tip, when putting everything back together put the new part and shifter in together. DO NOT bolt the new piece in until the shift lever and new piece are mated together. You can not get the shift lever into the cradle if you bolt the new piece in first.



Anyways it went pretty smooth. Chris sent me a PDF email of the directions. The new part really cleaned the side to side slop of the factory part. There is still a little play but, it is easy to see it's coming thru the cables. Probably caused by some slop on the transmission connections. I'll have to take a look at that at some point. I'm happy overall, I just hope it stays this way for a while before I have to change the insert. It looks like it will be a complete teardown to change the insert.

Are there no instructions included with the part? Mine arrived yesterday, but I haven't opened the package yet. I currently have the shifter exposed because I just replaced cables. Do I need to remove the "cradle" from the car to install this side peice?

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maytag 01-23-2020 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smallblock454 (Post 604500)
The file is no longer available. Maybe you can put it on mega.nz or something else.



http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1570248314.jpg

Does anyone have these instructions they could post, or send to me?

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loflyingz 01-23-2020 01:23 PM

Here's a link to the install instructions for the side lever.

9X6-9X7-SHIFTER-SIDE-LEVER-1

tommy583 01-23-2020 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maytag (Post 610524)
Does anyone have these instructions they could post, or send to me?

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I have the PDF. PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

maytag 01-23-2020 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy583 (Post 610541)
I have the PDF. PM me your email and I'll send it to you.

Thanks. Chris sent it to me this afternoon.

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grc0456 01-24-2020 04:09 AM

Chris said on FB today that he put the side lever install instructions up on the UniWerks site. I also have them if anybody needs.


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aparke4 04-15-2020 11:05 AM

Just wanted to say I installed the Ben/ UniWerks make it easy shift bundle- solid rifle bolt shifting and it totally eliminated side to side play! Very easy install for a first timer under the center console and A+ customer service.

Are you planning on making aluminum shifter cable adapter similar to agency part or evoms?

Ben006 04-15-2020 11:16 AM

Thanks for your feedback !

Not for now, I'm trying to finish the 996 plenum, I'm several month late on those... and then I have a lot of 928 parts in the box that I really what to put on the market :)

I installed a short shifter for a customer today :)
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_2621.jpg

And finally took the time to take good picture to write proper instructions...! Yep, 5 years after ^^

Ben

boxxster 04-15-2020 06:09 PM

Has anyone compared this shifter with the OEM 997 unit? Thinking of putting one of these into a cheap 986/996 console and selling my 997 console, but not sure if it's worthwhile?

Ben006 04-16-2020 01:57 AM

Plenty of people have fitted it to 987/997 yes :)

The 9X7 shifter is a bit shorter than the 9X6 one, but still cushioned, and when it's worn, you have no other choice than to replace it.

If the one you have is brand new, you can give it a try, then fit one of mine later if you want something more precise !

boxxster 04-16-2020 04:26 AM

Thanks for the reply. I already have the 997 unit installed in the car (and have sold my original one). Not unhappy with the 997 shifter in any way, just saw yours and was interested if it was worth finding a 9x6 shifter to modify and having to take apart the center console again. How much shorter is the throw compared to 997?

Ben006 04-16-2020 04:28 AM

997 is 15% shorter, short shifter is 35% than 9X6 shifter.

Qmulus 04-18-2020 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxxster (Post 615465)
Has anyone compared this shifter with the OEM 997 unit? Thinking of putting one of these into a cheap 986/996 console and selling my 997 console, but not sure if it's worthwhile?

Personally, I have had both one of these short shifters and the 997 shifter in my car. I like the precision of these, but I didn't not like the increased effort and felt that it was actually a bit too short for my tastes. I found myself taking more time to shift as I really think to make sure I was going into the right gear. The very noticeable increased effort also tweaked the torn rotator cuff in my shoulder when I pulled the shifter over into reverse.

To me, the reduction in throw from the 997 and slight increase of effort was the "Goldilocks" shifter for me. No, it isn't as precise as the aftermarket shifters, but it just felt "right", if that makes sense. I talked with a race driver friend of mine who uses the the 997 Cup car shifters (same geometry as the regular 997 shifter, but has a different attachement to the lever) in his Boxster endurance racers and 996 Cup Cars that he drives. He also felt that the aftermarket shifters were a bit too short for his preference. That said other drivers swear by the short shifters. Sooo, in the end it is personal preference.

I think the perfect shifter for me would have the geometry of the 997 shifter, with bearings to take out the slight bit of slop.

boxxster 04-19-2020 06:05 AM

Thanks for the feedback!

I know Phenix Engineering makes direct replacement billet bushings for the 997 console, but I have no idea how much of a source of slop the stock bushings are compared to the side lever mechanism (i.e. if the upgraded bushings will reduce slop if your existing ones aren't already worn out to begin with).

aparke4 04-19-2020 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 615444)
Thanks for your feedback !

Not for now, I'm trying to finish the 996 plenum, I'm several month late on those... and then I have a lot of 928 parts in the box that I really what to put on the market :)

I installed a short shifter for a customer today :)
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_2621.jpg

And finally took the time to take good picture to write proper instructions...! Yep, 5 years after ^^

Ben

Great and thx! I will be purchasing one of the 74mm tb carbon intakes too once available!

steved0x 04-20-2020 04:58 AM

Edited: wrong post

phook 08-08-2020 11:42 AM

Installed mine last night and got to drive it this morning. Love the short shifter!

evomind 12-01-2020 08:43 AM

How long does it take to install?

Ben006 12-01-2020 12:33 PM

It really depends on how comfortable you are working on your car.
It takes me 45minutes because I've fitted many.
On average that's a 2hours job :)


By the way, I haven't posted much (at all...) lately, but I have to announce that in a few weeks I will no longer work for Porsche and I'll work on the website and my parts full time !

And to start 2021, I'll have a new shifter available !
No more modifying cheap ones, this one is entirely made up to my specs and design, though it is largely based on what already exists, no need to reinvent the wheel here ;)

Even higher quality, revised geometry, it won't have a throw as short as before to accomodate daily driving our aging gearboxes and suit better to the Boxster (a roadster) spirit !

And... for those who want, ditch the Porsche gear knob and select any 12mm compatible gear knob on the market !
Weighed, carbon fiber, aluminum, ball, wood, anything !

Here you have old style on the left, and new one on the right :
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/img_6240.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/img_6144.jpg


And I want your opinion !
Stay bare aluminum ? Or anodized black ?
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/short_14.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/short_15.jpg

I quite like it bare aluminum !



Ben

shockandawe 12-02-2020 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben006 (Post 627300)
It really depends on how comfortable you are working on your car.
It takes me 45minutes because I've fitted many.
On average that's a 2hours job :)


By the way, I haven't posted much (at all...) lately, but I have to announce that in a few weeks I will no longer work for Porsche and I'll work on the website and my parts full time !

And to start 2021, I'll have a new shifter available !
No more modifying cheap ones, this one is entirely made up to my specs and design, though it is largely based on what already exists, no need to reinvent the wheel here ;)

Even higher quality, revised geometry, it won't have a throw as short as before to accomodate daily driving our aging gearboxes and suit better to the Boxster (a roadster) spirit !

And... for those who want, ditch the Porsche gear knob and select any 12mm compatible gear knob on the market !
Weighed, carbon fiber, aluminum, ball, wood, anything !

Here you have old style on the left, and new one on the right :
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/img_6240.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/img_6144.jpg


And I want your opinion !
Stay bare aluminum ? Or anodized black ?
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/short_14.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/...h/short_15.jpg

I quite like it bare aluminum !



Ben

Bare and I’ll take one.

Ben006 12-05-2020 07:44 AM

Ahah, cool !

P9201 01-12-2021 08:50 PM

Any updates on the new shifter with the longer throw? I'd like to use it in my spec boxster this coming season. Thanks!

Ben006 01-13-2021 12:22 AM

Hi !

I tested it last saturday, and will test it again on another car (the first one had a bad gearbox...) next week !

Here is some photos I took !
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_6832.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_6835.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_6828.jpg
https://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/13/27/76/86/img_6831.jpg

I'm really satisfied with my calculations, the lever ratio is spot on to me !

Once the last test is done, I'll order the production !

PaulE 01-13-2021 02:52 PM

It looks great! Can you make any that will accept the factory shift knob, or an insert to allow use of the factory knob? Asking for a friend....


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