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thstone 12-08-2017 09:47 PM

The SoCal club racing "off season" of 5 weeks is upon us so I put together my list of maintenance that needs to be performed and it looks like I'm going to be busy...
  • Remove 15 lbs of weight (to counter the added weight of the oil sump skid plate)
  • Replace instrument cluster (to get fuel gauge working)
  • Replace AOS (I interpret the occasional big puff of grey smoke when exiting a corner as a warning of impending failure)
  • Replace ignition switch (occasional weird electrical gremlins)
  • Replace fuel filter (maintanence)
  • Replace brake pads & rotors (worn out)
  • Bleed brakes and clutch/top up fluid (while I'm doing the pads/rotors)
  • Replace windshield (heavily scratched from debris impacts)
  • Replace spark plugs (maintenance)
  • Replace fuel injectors (they've never been touched and they can't last forever)
  • Replace drivers seat (out of certification date for 2018 and want a containment seat anyway)
  • Install front radiator screens (protect those new radiators that we installed in March)
  • Find/fix wiring fault for cool shirt system power (come summer that cool shirt system is pretty nice to have)
The task I dread the most is replacing the ignition switch. That job looks to be even a bigger PITA since the cage blocks access via the drivers side floor. Its going to be a busy 5 weeks.

Lemming 12-09-2017 05:44 AM

Have you considered sending the fuel injectors off for cleaning and testing?

Quadcammer 12-09-2017 05:53 AM

I would definitely clean and flow test vs. replace.

seningen 12-09-2017 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 557438)
The SoCal club racing "off season" of 5 weeks is upon us so I put together my list of maintenance that needs to be performed and it looks like I'm going to be busy...
  • Remove 15 lbs of weight

  • That's going to be tough over the holidays... :-)

Quote:

The task I dread the most is replacing the ignition switch. That job looks to be even a bigger PITA since the cage blocks access via the drivers side floor. Its going to be a busy 5 weeks.
Are you going with a push button to start?

Mike

steved0x 12-09-2017 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 557438)
The task I dread the most is replacing the ignition switch. That job looks to be even a bigger PITA since the cage blocks access via the drivers side floor. Its going to be a busy 5 weeks.

I did mine mostly through the headlamp switch and by removing one of the AC tubes under the steering wheel, which may already be removed for you. That might give you some room to make up for the bars.

Topless 12-09-2017 03:31 PM

Hey Tom, I still have some nearly new 986 Zimmerman rotors and racing pads in my garage. Come over and help me clean the garage. :)

thstone 12-09-2017 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemming (Post 557454)
Have you considered sending the fuel injectors off for cleaning and testing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quadcammer (Post 557459)
I would definitely clean and flow test vs. replace.

I thought about it but don't know anyone that I'd trust to do it and I worry that they will sit somewhere for several weeks. Do new injectors have that much variation?

thstone 12-09-2017 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topless (Post 557507)
Hey Tom, I still have some nearly new 986 Zimmerman rotors and racing pads in my garage. Come over and help me clean the garage. :)

I'll take 'em! I'll text you. :cheers:

thstone 12-09-2017 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seningen (Post 557493)
That's going to be tough over the holidays... :-)

:D:D:D:D:D:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by seningen (Post 557493)
Are you going with a push button to start?

No, just replace the stock ignition switch (electrical portion) with a new one. On two occasions I've experienced some weird electrical phenomena and thought I'd start there.

Lemming 12-10-2017 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 557520)
I thought about it but don't know anyone that I'd trust to do it and I worry that they will sit somewhere for several weeks. Do new injectors have that much variation?

I've used WitchHunter Performance - Injector Cleaning & Flow Testing Services in the past with no issues. A good friend just used http://injectorrepair.com/ and was happy with the timing and results.

thstone 12-10-2017 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemming (Post 557526)
I've used WitchHunter Performance - Injector Cleaning & Flow Testing Services in the past with no issues. A good friend just used Fuel Injector Cleaning and Flow Testing Service. Injector Repair LLC and was happy with the timing and results.

Excellent! Thanks for the links. 5 days or less is easily within my time horizon.

thstone 12-13-2017 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topless (Post 557507)
Hey Tom, I still have some nearly new 986 Zimmerman rotors and racing pads in my garage. Come over and help me clean the garage. :)

Dave, thanks for the rotors and pads (and delivery!). It was nice to hang out with your and your brother for a bit. See you soon.

thstone 12-13-2017 08:05 AM

Here are a few pics while I am editing video...

This is the start of Race #1. In order from front to rear; Malcolm Van Halen (Red Van Halen Guitar), Nigel Maidment (Red roof/Black Vali), Andrew Weyman (Gulf Oil), Branimir Kovac (Vali Silver), John Monmeyer (Maroon/Yellow), Tom Stone (House Auto), Stephan Asseo (Speed Gallery black)...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1513184254.jpg


Middle of Race #2 leading John Monmeyer (Maroon/Yellow) and Andrew Weyman (Gulf Oil) up the Omega...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1513184342.jpg


Me, smiling for the camera, while Brad Roberts does all of the work! (he's reviewing data to help me find some add'l speed)...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/Tom1513184495.jpg

thstone 12-29-2017 09:18 AM

The fuel injectors are out (what a PITA that task is!!). The passenger side was easy but the driver's side is blocked by the air intake. With a bit of work, I got them out.

I dropped them off to a local shop for cleaning and testing this morning. They said that they didn't have a lot of work due to the holidays so they would be ready on Tuesday. $24 each.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1514571330.jpg

BYprodriver 12-30-2017 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 558831)
The fuel injectors are out (what a PITA that task is!!). The passenger side was easy but the driver's side is blocked by the air intake. With a bit of work, I got them out.

I dropped them off to a local shop for cleaning and testing this morning. They said that they didn't have a lot of work due to the holidays so they would be ready on Tuesday. $24 each.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1514571330.jpg




Always good to do, I bet your idle will improve.

thstone 01-14-2018 04:00 PM

Ok, with the holidays behind me, I finally had some time to edit some video!

This is Race 1 with the POC from December. As usual, full screen HD with sound is the best experience.

The #321 changed his number to #9 so the I call the blue (Gulf livery) car #321 throughout the video when I should have said #9. My apologies to the driver of the #9, Andrew Weyman.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9ZTuW7tRxFw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

truegearhead 01-15-2018 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 557437)
I am stuck in fuel gauge hell.

If you remember, the gauge would never go above 3/4 even when the tank was full but would work normally between 3/4 to empty. Then the gauge stuck at 3/4 so I couldn't live with it any longer.

I've replaced the sending unit, made sure that the lines aren't interfering with the float, had the sender/gauge re-calibrated, checked the wiring from the sender to the gauge, verified that the sender is indeed sending the proper signal, and manually commanded the gauge using a tester - and the gauge is still stuck at 3/4.

This made racing last weekend quite interesting because I never really knew how much gas was in the tank except when I filled up completely. After the first race, I filled up completely with 7 gallons meaning that I finished the race with about a 1/2 tank or 60+ lbs heavier than I should have been.

The shop's conclusion this week is that the gauge itself has failed. A local instrument repair shop wanted $750 to repair the fuel gauge. Seemed like a pretty high price, I mean, that's almost a new set of tires to replace a circuit board (and yes, I value every financial transaction in equivalent sets of new racing tires these days). I declined their repair offer and ordered a used instrument cluster from eBay for $99 (including shipping).

Sure hope this solves the problem. I'll let you know what happens when I get the replacement cluster next week.

Did you solve this? This problem is caused by your fuel pump being rotated incorrectly and blocking the fuel level float. There is an arrow at the top of the housing showing the correct orientation.

thstone 01-15-2018 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truegearhead (Post 560220)
Did you solve this? This problem is caused by your fuel pump being rotated incorrectly and blocking the fuel level float. There is an arrow at the top of the housing showing the correct orientation.

Thanks for the info! I have not solved it yet. I have a replacement gauge cluster to see if that is the problem. I should have time to get to it this week so stand by for updates...

seningen 01-15-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 560169)
Ok, with the holidays behind me, I finally had some time to edit some video!

This is Race 1 with the POC from December. As usual, full screen HD with sound is the best experience.

The #321 changed his number to #9 so the I call the blue (Gulf livery) car #321 throughout the video when I should have said #9. My apologies to the driver of the #9, Andrew Weyman.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9ZTuW7tRxFw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks for sharing.

I'm at the edge of my keyboard the whole race :-)

thstone 01-16-2018 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seningen (Post 560246)
Thanks for sharing.

I'm at the edge of my keyboard the whole race :-)

Thanks, glad that you enjoyed it Mike; the race was a lot of fun.

I wish that there was a way to communicate the level of intensity that is required to drive that close (even for a 30 min sprint race). Its mentally exhausting and physically taxing.

But still the most fun I can have with clothes on. :)

seningen 01-17-2018 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 560381)
Thanks, glad that you enjoyed it Mike; the race was a lot of fun.

I wish that there was a way to communicate the level of intensity that is required to drive that close (even for a 30 min sprint race). Its mentally exhausting and physically taxing.

But still the most fun I can have with clothes on. :)

I've done my fair bit of endurance racing -- but I'll be doing my first PCA SPB Sprint races at CoTA in March -- my palms are sweating as I type :-)

Mike

thstone 01-18-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seningen (Post 560408)
I've done my fair bit of endurance racing -- but I'll be doing my first PCA SPB Sprint races at CoTA in March -- my palms are sweating as I type :-)

Go get 'em! Can't wait to see the video. :cheers:

thstone 01-21-2018 02:15 PM

Here is Race #2 start at Willow Springs in December.

It was a fairly uneventful race after the start so I thought I'd focus on the start of the race in this post.

First, race starts are hugely exciting - everyone is bunched up in a pack and then it seems like all hell is unleashed at the drop of the Green!

On top of this add in driver nerves, cold tires, and being forced to drive off of the preferred racing line and it makes for some real excitement.

Everyone drag races down the front straight with the intent of being well positioned at the entrance to Turn 1. When everyone does it right, it looks like the photo below - FOUR WIDE going into T1!!

Of course, four wide isn't going to work so someone has to back out and that can create an opportunity for a car behind to make up a position. This is what happens when the #9 Gulf car has to slow and I am able to maintain my momentum on the inside and gain a position.

I finally figured out how to flip the rear looking camera and overlay it as a virtual rear view mirror in the video - I hope this improves the viewing experience. As usual, the video is best viewed in full HD with sound.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1516576029.jpg


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YdEQs3cgOM0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Philo98 01-29-2018 12:47 PM

Serpentine belt
 
Just a quick question. Anyone have a part number and supplier for the right length serpentine belt that bypasses the A/C compressor and also has the underdrive. I'm doing a slow SPB build myself while getting track time. I've enjoyed your thread

thstone 01-29-2018 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philo98 (Post 561401)
Just a quick question. Anyone have a part number and supplier for the right length serpentine belt that bypasses the A/C compressor and also has the underdrive. I'm doing a slow SPB build myself while getting track time. I've enjoyed your thread

Thanks, and here you go: http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/68716-why-drive-belt-length-udp-no-ac-secret.html

bkovac 02-04-2018 07:13 AM

Get ready Tom,
there are 21 spb's signed up for Willow and I know of at least 1 other attending thats not signed yet.

thstone 02-04-2018 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkovac (Post 561829)
Get ready Tom,
there are 21 spb's signed up for Willow and I know of at least 1 other attending thats not signed yet.

Wow, that's great! Its going to be epic going into Turn 1! :eek:

bkovac 02-04-2018 04:49 PM

you should have great video to post

thstone 02-24-2018 08:52 AM

Quick update:

I raced two weekends in a row, both at Willow Springs. The first was with the Afla Romeo Owners Club of Southern California and the second with with the Porsche Owners Club.

The Alfa Club race went well with a 4th place overall. There was a wide range of cars at this event so the three cars that finished ahead of me all had better power/weight, Hoosier slicks, and aero. The same can be said for the Super Miata's, Spec Miata's, and Alfa's that finished behind me (lower power/wt and lesser tires), so I finished about where you'd expect. The Alfa Club puts on a great event and they are really fun people to race with so I always enjoy this event.

At the POC races, I skipped Saturday after a Friday night of insomnia so I started in the back (21st) for the first race on Sunday and made up several places. In the second race, I was with the lead pack for about half of the race and then went off in Turn 1 when someone dropped some coolant. The results weren't anything to write home about but as always, it was a ton of fun!

My video camera's didn't work for either weekend. Subsequent testing indicated that the 12vdc to 5vdc converter was only putting out 3vdc which is marginal for the Mobius video cam's (sometimes they will turn on at 3vdc and sometimes not). In fairness, I had bought a cheap dc convertor for about $3 so maybe its not so surprising that it is failing after a couple of years of high temp/high vibration duty inside a race car. This time I sprung for a $15 converter (:D) that has a heat sink to dissipate heat and can nominally output 4x the load that the three camera's pull.

Next race in two weeks at Buttonwillow Raceway in Central California.

In lieu of video, here are a few pic's:

The Boxster field crosses the Starting Line after getting the green flag (well before this photo)...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/WS31519494426.jpg

Leading several cars from Turn 3 up the Omega...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/WS41519494442.jpg

Cranking it through Turn 4 at the top of the Omega...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/WS21519494467.jpg

Nice pic while flying down the front straight...
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02/WS11519494479.jpg

bkovac 02-25-2018 10:23 AM

We Have 18 Spec Boxster's signed up to race at Buttonwillow with 2 weeks still to go. There are some usual suspects that have still to sign up, we will be well past the amount of Willow Springs, there are another 4 Spec Boxster's in the Racers Clinic.

thstone 03-02-2018 08:24 AM

Maintenance update:

Completed items:
  • Replace instrument cluster (to get fuel gauge working)
  • Replace AOS (I interpret the occasional big puff of grey smoke when exiting a corner as a warning of impending failure)
  • Replace ignition switch (occasional weird electrical gremlins)
  • Replace fuel filter (maintanence)
  • Replace brake pads & rotors
  • Bleed brakes and clutch/top up fluid
  • Replace spark plugs (maintenance)
  • Service/calibrate fuel injectors
  • Install front radiator screens
  • Find/fix wiring fault for cool shirt system power
  • Fix power for video cameras

Still to do:
  • Remove 15 lbs of weight (to counter the added weight of the oil sump skid plate)
  • Replace drivers seat (out of certification date in mid-2018 and want a containment seat anyway)
  • Replace windshield (heavily scratched from debris) On order, waiting for delivery

thstone 03-02-2018 08:47 PM

Horsepower. Everyone talks about it. Rarely is there ever any real data.

I had my engine dyno'd again at the POC event last month because, with about 80 hours of racing time on the engine, I was worried that it might be losing power due to age, wear, and a little bit of driver induced abuse (I'll say more about the over rev's in another post). If you recall, this engine came from a salvaged Boxster with 92K miles and I paid $1,800. The engine has been well maintained with oil changes after every 2-3 racing weekends, air filter every 4 weekends, and spark plugs every year.

Here are the dyno charts from Sept, 2015 and Feb, 2018 showing almost no difference (~1hp) in power. Same dyno and same operator. Same exhaust (no cat's + TopSpeed muffler). Same UDP. Same oil/weight. Same stock ECU. Different weather conditions. Fuel injectors were recently cleaned/calibrated. Not exactly apples to apples but as close as practical.

I could probably pick up a couple of hp by ditching the TopSpeed muffler and going to straight pipes like most of the Spec Boxster field, but since this car is still driven to/from the track I worry that it would simply be too loud to drive on the street.

The good news: my engine is as strong as it ever was and appears to be running very well.

The bad news: I can't blame slow lap times or poor finishing positions on my engine. (Damn).

Its hard to say how racing hours correlate to miles but 80 hours of continuous operation above 5000 rpm has to be hard on an engine.

For comparison, the range of horsepower for other Spec Boxster's that were tested (and who shared their results with me) was 199 hp at the upper end to 188 hp at the lower end. And one car that still had cat's and the stock exhaust put down 182 hp.

September, 2015
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1520055102.jpg


February, 2018
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1520055131.jpg

Greg Holmberg 03-03-2018 03:52 PM

Here's my dyno chart. I used the official NASA dyno provider, MCE Dyno, who uses a mobile one. Looks like you used the same dyno.

I got a peak of 192 HP and 176 ft-lbf of torque. I have the same muffler, but I still have the stock cats (to be street legal).

I see you got 197 and 178. I think I could get those 5 more HP if I replaced the cats with straight pipes.

I wonder how 197 at the wheels translates to HP at the crank. I think one loses about 15% through the gearbox and tires. So 197/.85 = 232 HP at the crank?

Is torque also lost through the gearbox, or only HP? Would it be 178 ft-lbs at the crank or 178/.85 = 209 at the crank?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...1ed3af035a.jpg

Anker 03-03-2018 04:46 PM

Torque and HP are directly related, so yes, you lose torque between the crank and the wheels.

thstone 03-04-2018 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Holmberg (Post 564321)
I think I could get those 5 more HP if I replaced the cats with straight pipes.

First, thanks for posting your dyno sheet. Always good to see real data!

Yes, I would expect at least a 5hp gain from removing the cat's. If you drive the car on the street, you'll have to re-install the cat's every two years to pass the CA smog test but its not that much work.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Holmberg (Post 564321)
I wonder how 197 at the wheels translates to HP at the crank. I think one loses about 15% through the gearbox and tires. So 197/.85 = 232 HP at the crank?

15% is the standard estimate for driveline loss.

Remember that the engine is spec'd from the factory at 201hp. That might be a little conservative so my thought is the power from a good 2.5L engine probably ranges from 203-205hp.

So how does a 205 hp engine (at the crank) make 197 hp at the wheels with a 15% driveline loss?

205hp * 0.15 = 31hp driveline loss
205 - 31 = 174 hp at the crank

Now, add back changes that add horsepower;

+8 hp cat back muffler
+8 hp removal of cat's
+4 hp under drive pulley
+2 hp cleaned/calibrated injectors

174 + 8 +8 + 4 + 2 = 196 hp

The exact HP values for the muffler, removal of cat's, UDP, and calibrated injectors might vary a bit from those shown above. Also, we used a "standard" 15% for the driveline loss and that might be slightly higher or lower than the actual loss.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Holmberg (Post 564321)
Is torque also lost through the gearbox, or only HP?

Yes, as Anker said, torque will scale the same as horsepower.

thstone 03-09-2018 04:27 PM

My office for the next three days... (Buttonwillow Raceway)

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1520645221.jpg

thstone 03-16-2018 06:49 AM

Racing last weekend at Buttonwillow Raceway (southern Central Valley in California, west of Bakersfield in the middle of nowhere off I-5) went pretty well.

I like this track a lot but I'm still not particularly fast there. Its a very technical track and running a tight line and pushing the limit are key to a fast lap. There are only two fairly short straights, so most of the track is stitching together a series of corners to try to make it thru a sector as fast as possible.

There are also two corners that can be taken as low as 2nd gear, although some drivers stay in 3rd. I tired both ways and found 2nd to give me a better corner exit but you give up corner entry speed to slow enough to get into 2nd as compared to a driver who stays in 3rd and carries a lot of speed into the corner but then doesn't have much torque to accelerate at corner exit.

Another downside to 2nd gear corner exits is that you can get power oversteer if you get onto the throttle too hard, too early (ask me how I know).

The starts are even more insane than usual since the front straight leads to a 90-degree right hand turn where two cars can go side by side if everyone cooperates (but that cooperation is hard to come by). In Sunday's race, I was able to go from 15th to 4th down the front straight and thru just one corner.

With a field of more than 20 Spec Boxster's, there was always someone to race with whether you were on the slow, middle, or fast end of the group. That is what makes it really fun and exciting. There is nothing like battling wheel to wheel with a couple of other cars.

In Race #1, I started somewhere around 12th and finished around the same place. Andrew Weyman, Jeff Shulem, and I had a great battle for the entire race. Race #2 on Saturday was in the rain so I skipped it (I don't have a lot of rain racing experience so it looked like an easy way to make an expensive mistake). I started around 15th for Race #3 on Sunday, moved up to 4th on the start, then faded mid-race and fell back several spots. I think that I finished around 10th.

I am editing video now and will post over the weekend.

Next weekend, I am headed to Las Vegas to race at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway Outside Road Course with the POC in conjunction with Pirelli Cup. This is a 14 corner road course next to the NASCAR Speedway (not the roval course inside the Speedway).

Here we are, going into Turn 1 on Sunday...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1521211500.jpg

bkovac 03-16-2018 09:54 AM

that was alot of fun out there. This is an uber competitive class for racing, it pushes you to be error-less. Once error-less, you may go to the front of the group.

thstone 03-20-2018 08:11 PM

** Weight Update **

After Sunday's race, I had the car (with me) weighed. The fuel light was on so I had about 2 gal of gas left in the tank.

The minimum weight is 2,650 lbs. Actual weight was 2,653 lbs.

Thus, my car is right where I want it to weigh and I can manage end of race weight via remaining fuel. Perfect.

Now, I just need to drive faster. And make fewer errors. :)

JayG 03-21-2018 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 565467)

Another downside to 2nd gear corner exits is that you can get power oversteer if you get onto the throttle too hard, too early (ask me how I know).

OK, Tom, how do you know :confused: LOL


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