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LoneWolfGal 01-18-2025 08:32 PM

The 1100 lb. lift table was finally delivered today. It has a higher capacity than the yellow table I posted about earlier, at about the same price (or was — they raised the price by $60 the day after I bought it). Dimensions: 31.5" L x 19.5" W x 33.5" H. It's made of thick steel and is powder coated. I was happy to see it has large rubber wheels. Funny thing, see the plastic bag on the crossmember at the bottom? It contains parts that don't seem to belong to the table. No mention of them in the 1-sheet assembly instructions. I hate it when parts are left over. I taped the bag there in case their purpose dawns on me. I plan to put my 500 lb. engine on it tomorrow. I have some short 2x4s and 1x2s I can use to block it level.

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LoneWolfGal 01-19-2025 03:40 PM

Advice needed. Although it's still mostly supported by the hoist, the engine seems to sit solidly and securely on its large, thick aluminum sump cover. I had intended to put blocks under it, but it's not obvious how blocks should be placed. Can the sump cover support the weight of the engine without being damaged? If not, how are other folks approaching the problem? As I said, the hoist is supporting most of the engine's weight at this time.

BTW, you'll notice the bottom of the engine is dirtier than the rest of it, thanks to 39K miles of road grime. Gotta correct that state of affairs (along with the transmission) before I put it in the car. Clean engine, clean mind.

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piper6909 01-19-2025 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665439)
Advice needed. Although it's still mostly supported by the hoist, the engine seems to set solidly and securely on the large, thick aluminum sump cover. I had intended to put blocks under it, but it's not obvious how blocks should be placed. Can the sump cover support the weight of the engine without being damaged? If not, how are other folks approaching the problem? As I said, the hoist is supporting most of the engine's weight at this time.

BTW, you'll notice the bottom of the engine is dirtier than the rest of it, thanks to 39K miles of road grime. Gotta correct that state of affairs (along with the transmission) before I put it in the car. Clean engine, clean life.

JFP would know for sure, but I'd think it's OK, since the cover is flat and the pressure is transferred to edges. The danger would be a single pressure point in the center.

I'd recommend a rubber mat of some sort. That diamond pattern steel can easily gouge or scratch the aluminum sump with even the slightest movement.

LoneWolfGal 01-19-2025 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 665442)
JFP would know for sure, but I'd think it's OK, since the cover is flat and the pressure is transferred to edges. The danger would be a single pressure point in the center.

I'd recommend a rubber mat of some sort. That diamond pattern steel can easily gouge or scratch the aluminum sump with even the slightest movement.

Al, I've been wondering when someone would comment about the diamond plate. Like you, I wasn't aware (until I touched it) that it's only a rubber mat with a diamond-plate pattern. Looks like the real McCoy.

The only structure in the center of the sump cover is the oil drain plug, but luckily it's recessed. Even if it projected, the "diamond plate" would probably compress enough to protect it.

Nevertheless, I'm prepared if JFP tosses cold water on the idea, in which case I'll have to come up with a blocking solution utilizing 2x4s and 1x2s.

JFP in PA 01-20-2025 05:26 AM

If that cover on the lift is a compliant mat (rubber, etc.) you should be fine; if it isn't, I would get a heavy-duty rubber mat to set it on.

LoneWolfGal 01-20-2025 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665446)
If that cover on the lift is a compliant mat (rubber, etc.) you should be fine; if it isn't, I would get a heavy-duty rubber mat to set it on.

Thanks, JFP. That diamond plate rubber is pretty compliant and heavy duty.

I have another question for you. It's my understanding that, with a 5-chain engine, only the bank 1 exhaust cam needs to be locked, that with the crank locked at TDC and the one exhaust cam locked, all the chains are immobile. I read that 3-chain engines do require the intake cam to also be locked. However, some folks would have you believe that, even on a 5-chain engine, the intake cam also needs to be locked, as well as both cams on bank 2, contrary to my understanding. Is that another case of the blind trying to lead?

JFP in PA 01-20-2025 11:30 AM

I would prefer to call it being "belt and suspenders" about it. Because the five chain engines have both cam tied together by the small chain, installing a single smaller locking tool on bank #1, the right bank (looking at the flywheel), all the chains are held during the retrofit proceedure. Some prefer to lock both banks, but that is not required.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Em...8nC60BJQ=w1280

LoneWolfGal 01-20-2025 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665450)
I would prefer to call it being "belt and suspenders" about it. Because the five chain engines have both cam tied together by the small chain, installing a single smaller locking tool on bank #1, the right bank (looking at the flywheel), all the chains are held during the retrofit proceedure. Some prefer to lock both banks, but that is not required.

D'OH! I meant bank 1's exhaust cam, not bank 2's. I'm going to correct that right now so that future readers won't be confused (or think I'm a nitwit).

Gilles 01-20-2025 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665451)
Right, I meant bank 1's exhaust cam, not bank 2's. I'm going to correct that right now so that future readers won't be confused (or think I'm a nitwit).

I am not sure what is a nitwit.. :p

But, the cam locking tool is inserted into both, the intake and exhaust cam slots, then bolted into the block (just to keep the tool from falling off).

BTY, you are taking lots of pictures, right? We will enjoy being part of your journey :rolleyes:

LoneWolfGal 01-20-2025 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 665452)
I am not sure what is a nitwit.. :p

But, the cam locking tool is inserted into both, the intake and exhaust cam slots, then bolted into the block (just to keep the tool from falling off).

BTY, you are taking lots of pictures, right? We will enjoy being part of your journey :rolleyes:

Hmmm, I understood the double-cam lock was for 3-chain engines. In any case, it's considerably different from the single-cam lock (which also bolts to the block), so I don't think they're interchangeable (see photo). I'm now setting up the workspace with the engine positioned on the lift table in such a way as to provide access to the IMS bearing and rear main, as well as both cam covers (for when I replace those pesky Variocam wear pads, a.k.a. timing chain tensioner shoe pads).

You can count on lots of photos, in addition to descriptions, explanations, complaining, philosophizing, and bloviation. Otherwise, where's the fun of it?

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elgyqc 01-21-2025 05:37 AM

Perhaps there is something I don't get but as I understand it you have to lock the cams, at least, in the opposite head to the one you are working on. Personally I lock both.
You are right, on the 5 chain engines you only lock one cam on each side with the shorter tool.

pilot4fn 01-21-2025 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elgyqc (Post 665458)
Perhaps there is something I don't get but as I understand it you have to lock the cams, at least, in the opposite head to the one you are working on. Personally I lock both.
You are right, on the 5 chain engines you only lock one cam on each side with the shorter tool.

Isn't the reason JFP mention for only driver side bank (2) cam to be locked on 5-chain engine because:
to change the IMSB you take only two chain tensioners out - 1 tensioner for the IMS - cam and 1 tensioner for the IMS - crank.
Risk to have the chain to skip a teeth is when there is no tension on the chain.
On the passenger side bank (1), the tensioner will remain in place under tension and the chain should not have a chance to skip there while you work on IMSB.

LoneWolfGal 01-21-2025 10:18 AM

Ready for action. As you can see, I have all the tools I'll need.

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LoneWolfGal 01-21-2025 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elgyqc (Post 665458)
Perhaps there is something I don't get but as I understand it you have to lock the cams, at least, in the opposite head to the one you are working on. Personally I lock both.
You are right, on the 5 chain engines you only lock one cam on each side with the shorter tool.

LN's IMS toolkit includes only one shorter, single-cam locking tool, which I plan to use to lock bank 1's exhaust cam, since locking only one cam (in addition to locking the crank at TDC) immobilizes all five chains. If I wished to also lock bank 2's cam as belt and suspenders I would need to procure another single-cam locking tool.

LoneWolfGal 01-21-2025 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot4fn (Post 665460)
Isn't the reason JFP mention for only driver side bank (2) cam to be locked on 5-chain engine because:
to change the IMSB you take only two chain tensioners out - 1 tensioner for the IMS - cam and 1 tensioner for the IMS - crank.
Risk to have the chain to skip a teeth is when there is no tension on the chain.
On the passenger side bank (1), the tensioner will remain in place under tension and the chain should not have a chance to skip there while you work on IMSB.

Actually, every knowledgeable source, including JFP, Jake Raby, and LN, recommends locking the exhaust cam on bank 1, the passenger side, on a 5-chain engine. Regarding tensioners, it's my understanding there are three, two timing chain tensioners and one IMS chain tensioner. LN recommends removing all three:

https://lnengineering.com/files/2023-IMSS-instructions-rev-03-24.pdf

JFP, care to weigh in?

JFP in PA 01-21-2025 12:06 PM

I agree, but make sure you have new sealing washers for the hydraulic tensioners and make note of where they came from as they are not all the same.

LoneWolfGal 01-21-2025 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665464)
I agree, but make sure you have new sealing washers for the hydraulic tensioners and make note of where they came from as they are not all the same.

Noted, thanks.

pilot4fn 01-22-2025 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665464)
I agree, but make sure you have new sealing washers for the hydraulic tensioners and make note of where they came from as they are not all the same.

I agree that more we elminate the risk of messing up the cam timing the better.

Anyhow, what I mentioned below is same as the Pelican Parts advices on their technical article regarding removing the two tensioners (I remebered wrong the locking of both vs. only one exhaust cams - both is the right answer):
"With the camshaft timing properly marked and the intermediate shaft secured, it's time to remove the two tensioners that pull on the flywheel-end sprockets of the intermediate shaft. The first one to remove is the tensioner for cylinders 1-3, which is located to the right of the flywheel area and is shown in Figure 77. Next, remove the tensioner that tightens the chain that connects the intermediate shaft to the crankshaft, located to the left of the flywheel area (see Figure 78). Be sure to have an oil catch pan ready when you remove these two tensioners, as oil will spill out. Next, remove the center nut from the bearing. "

Link here to the same article:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing.htm

Interesting is that this above is seen as not a good practice :)

JFP in PA 01-22-2025 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot4fn (Post 665473)
I agree that more we elminate the risk of messing up the cam timing the better.

Anyhow, what I mentioned below is same as the Pelican Parts advices on their technical article regarding removing the two tensioners (I remebered wrong the locking of both vs. only one exhaust cams - both is the right answer):
"With the camshaft timing properly marked and the intermediate shaft secured, it's time to remove the two tensioners that pull on the flywheel-end sprockets of the intermediate shaft. The first one to remove is the tensioner for cylinders 1-3, which is located to the right of the flywheel area and is shown in Figure 77. Next, remove the tensioner that tightens the chain that connects the intermediate shaft to the crankshaft, located to the left of the flywheel area (see Figure 78). Be sure to have an oil catch pan ready when you remove these two tensioners, as oil will spill out. Next, remove the center nut from the bearing. "

Link here to the same article:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing/14-ENGINE-Intermediate_Shaft_Bearing.htm



Interesting is that this above is seen as not a good practice :)

You need to be aware that when IMS retrofits all began, Pelican published "their" procedure designed to save the DIY market money, but the end result was a disaster, with far too many retrofits that went bad due to their "special procedures", some of which required engine disassembly to repair. Jake Raby developed a proven method which is the only one LN Engineering recommends to this day. We have used that exact procedure on innumerable retrofits, and never had a problem. Stick with the LN procedure and ignore Pelican.

LoneWolfGal 01-22-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665477)
Stick with the LN procedure and ignore Pelican.

I reached the same conclusion after encountering the contradictory information. I have come to view Jake Raby as the authority when it comes to IMS bearing replacement. However, Pelican has some useful information about other procedures.

JFP in PA 01-22-2025 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665484)
I reached the same conclusion after encountering the contradictory information. I have come to view Jake Raby as the authority when it comes to IMS bearing replacement. However, Pelican has some useful information about other procedures.

Jake and Charles Navarro invented the sport, encountering multiple ways not to do a retrofit before they found the optimum solution to the problem that even Porsche originally said was not possible. Several others, including Pelican, tried to come up with simpler or cheaper DIY ways to address the problem, all of which cut corners and led to problems, some fatally. The problem for the indie shops doing retrofits was always the teary-eyed customers that flat bedded their cars to the shop after screwing up the project, only to be told that their engine had to come out and apart to fix what they had done to them with these simpler and cheaper techniques.

Probably the dumbest was an early (Wayne Dempsey days) Pelican procedure that did not use ANY cam holding tools, but instead used Allan head set screws threaded into the back of the engine case thru the IMS flange bolt holes to try and hold the chains by putting pressure on the gear on the rear of the IMS shaft in a vain attempt to lock the chains. Unfortunately, that rear gear is pressed on and slip prone, resulting in that gear being pushed forward on the IMS shaft, and the shaft suddenly jumping upwards and to the right due to the tension on the chains. When this happened, cam timing was lost and there was no way to reposition that gear without taking the shaft out of the engine. We probably encounter a dozen or more cars in this condition that were brought to the shop.

Long story short, there are a lot of wrong ways to try and attempt this retrofit, and one proven right way that now even Porsche has adopted. Do it right and you do it once; do it wrong and you will be spending some serious $ to get out of the hole you created.

elgyqc 01-22-2025 12:50 PM

My comment was in the context of replacing the chain tensioner pads, which it is logical to do if the engine is out of the car. If only the IMSB is to be replace one lock would be enough.

LoneWolfGal 01-22-2025 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665485)
Probably the dumbest was an early (Wayne Dempsey days) Pelican procedure that did not use ANY cam holding tools, but instead used Allan head set screws threaded into the back of the engine case thru the IMS flange bolt holes to try and hold the chains by putting pressure on the gear on the rear of the IMS shaft in a vain attempt to lock the chains. Unfortunately, that rear gear is pressed on and slip prone, resulting in that gear being pushed forward on the IMS shaft, and the shaft suddenly jumping upwards and to the right due to the tension on the chains. When this happened, cam timing was lost and there was no way to reposition that gear without taking the shaft out of the engine. We probably encounter a dozen or more cars in this condition that were brought to the shop.

Yes, I read and reread and reread yet again Pelican's description of the set-screw method and it seemed flaky to me, so I'm relieved that I'm not alone in that assessment.

Quote:

Long story short, there are a lot of wrong ways to try and attempt this retrofit, and one proven right way that now even Porsche has adopted. Do it right and you do it once; do it wrong and you will be spending some serious $ to get out of the hole you created.
I think I'll be fine if I follow Jake Raby's method to the letter.

LoneWolfGal 01-22-2025 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elgyqc (Post 665490)
My comment was in the context of replacing the chain tensioner pads, which it is logical to do if the engine is out of the car. If only the IMSB is to be replace one lock would be enough.

Ah, that makes sense, Grant. I do plan to replace the Variocam wear pads after the IMS bearing, and I've borrowed the official kit, which comes with its own set of cam locks.

LoneWolfGal 01-23-2025 08:34 AM

I've been notified that my "IMS Solution Bearing Replacement Kit for Dual Row IMS 97-01 Boxster 911 Models" has shipped! Let no snowstorm or other act of God delay its delivery (or there will be whining).

LoneWolfGal 01-24-2025 12:04 PM

While waiting for the Solution to arrive I've been researching bore scoring, second only to IMS bearing failure in causing catastrophic failure in Porsche engines. I own a borescope and had planned to eyeball the cylinders through the spark plug holes, as I have done with conventional engines. However, I've learned from LN's pre-qualification procedure and from videos at flat6innovations.com (Jake Raby's company) that this method is not sufficient, that one must remove the sump cover and examine the cylinders from underneath. D'OH! There is a ray of light, though. It seems M96 engines are less prone to bore scoring, because the pistons are cast rather than forged (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7idZe6qAtg 9:45).

So I'm idling in neutral at the moment. Perhaps my almost OCD-level perfectionism will force me to unbolt the sump cover and have a look. But doggone it, as I've complained before, making this new engine bulletproof is like yanking a piece of yarn on a sweater. It's only 1 pm here on the West Coast, but it feels like beer thirty. And I don't drink.

LoneWolfGal 01-24-2025 02:50 PM

In the interest of settling the questions about which and how many cams to lock, here are a couple excerpts from LN's IMS Solution installation manual:

"Lock right side (when facing flywheel) camshaft in place using IMS pro tool kit camshaft timing jig. Use the shorter cam lock on 5-chain and longer one on 3-chain engines."

[Note from LWG: The exhaust cam is not specified above, but an accompanying photo shows the bottom cam, the exhaust.]

"Some installers prefer to lock camshafts on BOTH banks of the engine. This is a practice that is not required, and is a matter of personal preference. With the crankshaft, and one bank of camshafts locked, all timing chains will be held tightly in the proper position for a successful IMS Retrofit procedure."

LoneWolfGal 01-24-2025 03:57 PM

Crank locked at TDC and bank 1 exhaust cam locked down. Well... the cam's almost locked down — a drill bit is holding the lock in place until I can obtain the appropriate bolt. Anyone happen to know the specs on the bolt I need?

I didn't have a 24 mm open-end wrench to turn the crank with, so I used a large metric crescent wrench. (I own a lovely matched set of metric and SAE crescent wrenches.)

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1737765965.jpg

LoneWolfGal 01-24-2025 06:58 PM

The hydraulic tensioner under the air conditioning compressor has been torqued so much I couldn't break it loose with a breaker bar on the 32 mm socket without the engine moving on the lift table. The engine is positioned exactly where I want it; I don't want it to move. Tapping the breaker bar with a heavy rubber mallet tomorrow should break it loose. I call that an "old-school impact wrench." I've marked each tensioner and its housing with matching numbers — 1-1, 2-2, 3-3. After the tensioners are removed, I'll stuff plastic wrap in their respective holes to keep stuff out.

Then it will be time for sacrilege: defacing the crankcase by cutting a notch for the oil fitting on the Solution's IMS flange. Talk about an invasive procedure! However, I acknowledge the necessity. There seems to be a variety of methods for creating the notch, but I plan to use the LWG method, which involves tungsten-carbide burr bits, my new Ryobi, and eye protection.

elgyqc 01-24-2025 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665530)
Crank locked at TDC and bank 1 exhaust cam locked down. Well... the cam's almost locked down — a drill bit is holding the lock in place until I can obtain the appropriate bolt. Anyone happen to know the specs on the bolt I need?...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1737765965.jpg

It is the same bolt that holds the pressure plate to the flywheel. Since you are not supposed to reuse these you should have some available.

LoneWolfGal 01-24-2025 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elgyqc (Post 665532)
It is the same bolt that holds the pressure plate to the flywheel. Since you are not supposed to reuse these you should have some available.

Thanks, Grant. Good idea. But the pressure plate and flywheel are attached to the old engine, which I haven't dropped yet.

Starter986 01-25-2025 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665536)
Thanks, Grant. Good idea. But the pressure plate and flywheel are attached to the old engine, which I haven't dropped yet.

The bore scoring inspection? Locking up everything, including me of the unecssary steps/personal preference? God didn;t gift you with OCD for nothing. Don't be wallowing in your regret a year from now with " shuld haves". Just do it. All. Cover every base. Listen to your OCD.

Now... from where did you purchase the set of SAE/metric crescent wrences. I have the SAE, but after spending several hours looking for the metric... zero. Thanks.

piper6909 01-25-2025 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 665538)

Now... from where did you purchase the set of SAE/metric crescent wrences. I have the SAE, but after spending several hours looking for the metric... zero. Thanks.

I've been searching high and low for left-handed wrenches, myself.

LoneWolfGal 01-25-2025 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 665538)
The bore scoring inspection? Locking up everything, including me of the unecssary steps/personal preference? God didn;t gift you with OCD for nothing. Don't be wallowing in your regret a year from now with " shuld haves". Just do it. All. Cover every base. Listen to your OCD.

Now... from where did you purchase the set of SAE/metric crescent wrences. I have the SAE, but after spending several hours looking for the metric... zero. Thanks.

Actually, I don't have full-blown OCD, I have a much less severe version called OCPD — obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. It's OCD-lite. I strive for perfection, but if perfection is unattainable for some reason, I'm practical. I can say the hell with it. However, you're probably right that I should just bite the bullet and remove the sump cover and scope out the bores. I'll save it until last.

I picked up the set of metric and SAE crescents at Bed, Bath & Beyond, in the Beyond department. Alas, they closed all their stores in 2023, so you'll need to find another source.

LoneWolfGal 01-25-2025 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piper6909 (Post 665539)
I've been searching high and low for left-handed wrenches, myself.

Bed, Bath & Beyond also had a huge selection of those, but they sold out pretty fast.

LoneWolfGal 01-25-2025 03:19 PM

My old-school impact wrench loosened the tensioners with no trouble. Now I'm ready to perform the sacrilege on the crankcase. Can't happen until I have the Solution in hand, however. I need its flange in order to precisely mark where the notch will be. The alteration is sacrilegious, true, but it shall be done with precision, and not like the one below, which looks like it was done by someone who got carried away with nibbler pliers. Once material is removed from the crankcase, it ain't comin' back.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1737850143.jpg

JFP in PA 01-26-2025 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolfGal (Post 665556)
My old-school impact wrench loosened the tensioners with no trouble. Now I'm ready to perform the sacrilege on the crankcase. Can't happen until I have the Solution in hand, however. I need its flange in order to precisely mark where the notch will be. The alteration is sacrilegious, true, but it shall be done with precision, and not like the one below, which looks like it was done by someone who got carried away with nibbler pliers. Once material is removed from the crankcase, it ain't comin' back.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1737850143.jpg

"Measure twice, cut once".............just take your time, mark what needs to be removed and you will do fine.

JFP in PA 01-26-2025 08:19 AM

And just make sure you make the opening large enough to be able to get a socket on the fitting with the trans in place as if anything ever happed (fitting comes lose, etc.), you can service it without removing the trans. Several people only made the opening just large enough to install the flange cover with the fitting installed, but not enough room to get a socket on it or turn it, which means you are pulling the trans out to get at it.

Always plan ahead...............

LoneWolfGal 01-26-2025 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665569)
And just make sure you make the opening large enough to be able to get a socket on the fitting with the trans in place as if anything ever happed (fitting comes lose, etc.), you can service it without removing the trans. Several people only made the opening just large enough to install the flange cover with the fitting installed, but not enough room to get a socket on it or turn it, which means you are pulling the trans out to get at it.

Always plan ahead...............

Yes, I plan to make the notch a millimeter or two larger than the socket, so marking the cutout will need to be accurate.

LoneWolfGal 01-26-2025 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 665568)
"Measure twice, cut once".............just take your time, mark what needs to be removed and you will do fine.

Also, you can't ruin a project by taking your time, but you definitely can by being in a hurry. I don't have a reputation for being the slowest mechanic on the planet for nothing.

EDIT: LN says much the same thing, but more succinctly. From their Post-Procedure Notes: "You can’t rush success, but you can rush failure!"


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