Not a good idea to put a jack under the oil pan

[ike84]

Ahhh yes, it's been a bit since we've had an "all hail stuttgart" string going.

JFP, you do this for a living. I fully expect that your engine removal procedure involves mounting the support bar, raising the car on a lift, and dropping the engine low enough to mount the m96 standoff and attaching it directly to an engine stand. There is zero risk there and the last thing you as a professional would ever do is take a risk with a customers (or your own) car.

If you don't have access to these tools though, that doesn't mean you can not safely do the job.

I'll say again that doing something dumb (like jacking the car by the oil pan) will end poorly.

But analyzing a situation and proceeding differently than what the original engineers had done does not make someone an idiot, and owning/working on a Porsche does not require large sums of money to be done right (10, haven't we already had this discussion before?)

For the record - I have manipulated an m96 with a jack using an appropriate sized piece of plywood for several projects (engine mount, tranny mounts, air box removal, injector swap) without harm to the pan. Also, the motor can sit flush on concrete to work on it without collapsing the pan.

Don't knock people for making due with what they have. Necessity is the mother of creation.

God forbid a porsche engineer ever find themselves needing to take a **************** in the woods without toilet paper. Whatever would they do...

Btw - I have trained under and worked with some true mental giants, but I will tell you that some of the most intelligent people I have ever interacted with are farmers who never graduated high school. So, if you think that this way of thinking makes me an "unreliable" source of information, I would challenge you to rethink that position. Everyone has something they can teach, and everyone has something they can learn.

Sorry, that last point is a purely philosophical one but to me is very important.


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[elgyqc]

Originally Posted by ike84

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Btw - I have trained under and worked with some true mental giants, but I will tell you that some of the most intelligent people I have ever interacted with are farmers who never graduated high school. So, if you think that this way of thinking makes me an "unreliable" source of information, I would challenge you to rethink that position. Everyone has something they can teach, and everyone has something they can learn.

Sorry, that last point is a purely philosophical one but to me is very important. ...

Totally agree with you, I was raised on a farm and that training allows me to do what I do now... even though sometimes the way I do things may seem (or be) somewhat bizarre. And sometimes I screw up and learn something new!

[ike84]

Originally Posted by elgyqc

Totally agree with you, I was raised on a farm and that training allows me to do what I do now... even though sometimes the way I do things may seem (or be) somewhat bizarre. And sometimes I screw up and learn something new!

Haha yes! I never question the madness until I can understand the method which justifies it. Thats how we learn.

I've been to lectures that discuss the definition of an "expert" and my favorite always will be the person who has already learned all the mistakes and knows not to repeat them again.

That's the beauty of professional training, as well as this forum, is to the ability to admit our own and learn from each other's successes as well as mistakes.

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