11-04-2017, 05:47 AM
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You'll regret not buying a non S versions so I would only look at an S. The 2002 and older have 5 chains with more ramps that wear. Did you mean the RMS seal was replaced 43K ago.
If it was the IMS seal that means whoever pulled the cap and replace 2 o"rings but not the bearing RUN FAST.
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11-04-2017, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jsceash
You'll regret not buying a non S versions so I would only look at an S. The 2002 and older have 5 chains with more ramps that wear. Did you mean the RMS seal was replaced 43K ago.
If it was the IMS seal that means whoever pulled the cap and replace 2 o"rings but not the bearing RUN FAST.
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RMS too but no I did mean IMS seal, and it was the Porsche dealership back in 2011
Last edited by pinksnyper; 11-04-2017 at 06:18 AM.
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11-04-2017, 06:18 AM
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11-04-2017, 07:05 AM
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+1 on buy the '04.
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Originally Posted by jsceash
... If it was the IMS seal that means whoever pulled the cap and replace 2 o"rings but not the bearing RUN FAST.
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No need to RUN FAST.
As discussed here, standard procedure for a dealership service dept at that time:
Service records: Porsche IMS fix??
It wouldn't worry me, but when I had a leaking IMS flange seal, I opted to have an independent shop replace the bearing since they were there anyway. I doubt that the owner of the '04 was presented this as an option.
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11-04-2017, 01:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jsceash
You'll regret not buying a non S versions so I would only look at an S. The 2002 and older have 5 chains with more ramps that wear. Did you mean the RMS seal was replaced 43K ago.
If it was the IMS seal that means whoever pulled the cap and replace 2 o"rings but not the bearing RUN FAST.
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My personal feeling is this. If you want a weekend warrior, I would tell the buyer to look for an S model.
However, if you want a daily driver, you will be happy with either. Both have enough power to satisfy and both can be comparably equipped as far as creature comforts. And, depending on the year, the base will have more power than the S models in the listings.
That said, there are some cool options that make the S a bit better in my opinion. And all things being equal, I'd definitely pay a bit more for the S. The better brakes and improved suspension can mean a lot to some buyers, and the interior touches, like the white gauges (IMO), may be a draw as well.
I had a large amount of models to choose from and wound up buying a fully loaded manual 2005 base model. It didn't hurt that it also came with an adjustable custom after market suspension and exhaust. And since it is in pristine condition, I am very proud to show and sound it off. As a daily driver, it is an amazingly fun ride and I have had zero regrets.
But as far as the IMS seal goes, that wouldn't scare me off. Though I would have to change out the IMS on that particular model and factor that into the total purchase price (which, in my opinion, still makes the 2004S a good purchase).
100K on an original IMS is good, but I think at some point, you're just pressing your luck on what should be considered a wearable item.
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11-04-2017, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Krooked
My personal feeling is this. If you want a weekend warrior, I would tell the buyer to look for an S model.
However, if you want a daily driver, you will be happy with either. Both have enough power to satisfy and both can be comparably equipped as far as creature comforts. And, depending on the year, the base will have more power than the S models in the listings.
That said, there are some cool options that make the S a bit better in my opinion. And all things being equal, I'd definitely pay a bit more for the S. The better brakes and improved suspension can mean a lot to some buyers, and the interior touches, like the white gauges (IMO), may be a draw as well.
I had a large amount of models to choose from and wound up buying a fully loaded manual 2005 base model. It didn't hurt that it also came with an adjustable custom after market suspension and exhaust. And since it is in pristine condition, I am very proud to show and sound it off. As a daily driver, it is an amazingly fun ride and I have had zero regrets.
But as far as the IMS seal goes, that wouldn't scare me off. Though I would have to change out the IMS on that particular model and factor that into the total purchase price (which, in my opinion, still makes the 2004S a good purchase).
100K on an original IMS is good, but I think at some point, you're just pressing your luck on what should be considered a wearable item.
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Great insight ! Question: does having the IMS seal change at 53k prolong the life of the bearing itself in theory? For example of the clutch has like another bit of life in it, I wouldn't want to jump on changing it all so quickly.
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11-04-2017, 03:36 PM
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At what price does the 02 S become the better choice?
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11-05-2017, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pinksnyper
Great insight ! Question: does having the IMS seal change at 53k prolong the life of the bearing itself in theory? For example of the clutch has like another bit of life in it, I wouldn't want to jump on changing it all so quickly.
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There are some who would argue the seal should simply be removed, since the bearing itself is likely to get oil soaked (and therefore loose any grease it's packed with). the thought here is, without a seal, the IMSB would get far more lubrication. So, depending on who you ask, the seal being replaced can be either a good thing or a bad one. Regardless, the IMS bearing is still the original and while you may get another 100K out of it, you may not. It all comes down to how much you wish to gamble.
I'm willing to take my original IMS to the 100K mark or until the clutch needs to be replaced; whichever condition occurs first. If the IMS detonates on my car before then, I'll simply replace the engine since the rest of the car is in such good condition. And that's the gamble I'm willing to take.
As far as your follow-up question on the '02, I would like to see a drop of 4K or more before I would ever consider a car that's been in two accidents and then I would joy ride the hell out of it first to feel the car out. Even minor accidents can impact the overall handling. I've never, ever, been happy with the handling of any of my previous cars after they've been repaired following a collision.
Last edited by Krooked; 11-05-2017 at 01:24 PM.
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