Dear new Porsche owner... - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

IowaS · 07-26-2006, 08:16 AM

Everytime I read one of these posts I shake my head. What happened to Porsche reliability. Anyone who has been to a 24 hour race or other endurance race and listens to people always hear that...I know that these are different cars, but why does this not translate to production???

On a side note on the windstop, I actually had to take mine out this weekend on a trip back to my hometown for fear it was going to fly out of the car...

MNBoxster · 07-26-2006, 08:44 AM

Hi,

Usually, everytime there's a post critical of Porsche or Porsche Quality, any number of True Believers will pull their head out of the Sand and come forward to lambaste the offender who was vile enough to place their beloved Marque in a Bad Light, I mean How Dare They...

They'll go on to assert how Great Porsche is (read was) and that the author of the thread is an ingrateful sod who doesn't realize how Privileged he is to even own one of these cars to begin with. That all cars have flaws, but not all cars are Porsches, in essence to; Live it or Live with it!.

But you can't blame the Subject for pointing out that the Emperor has no Clothes, especially if this is true. Guess they got up late this morning, but I doubt in the end I'll be proven wrong...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 08:46 AM

Unless folks are posting these stories with no basis, Porsche has some REAL issues.

I see NO indication that the mothership finds these data useful at all.

The Emperor indeed has no clothes.

PS-time to install that LS1 in the 968 like I have been planning.

Hmmmmmm

Perfectlap · 07-26-2006, 09:35 AM

re #3,
I have NEVER done the chop regularly and have ZERO crease in my window.
Try lowering such that it bends correctly on its own (may take a few tries) and leave it down for several hours. Raise the top and lower it again, WITHOUT touching the window. Over time the plastic forms its own bend and 'remembers' where to crease perfectly.

As far as having to stop to lower the top this is for good reason. You can get the clamshell out of alignment if a wind gust gets in there. If you are that impatient you can always cover up the approriate pin on the top relay with scotch tape. Just pull one click on the e-brake so that the light comes on dash and you can lower your top while in 1st gear.

as far as Porsche, they are just as greedy as all the other European car builders.
If you want to drive a japanese roadster or the new soltice go right ahead but you passed up on those for a reason didn't you?

Porsche has it problems some permanent apparently its a condition called arrogance and they are compromising their motorsports to sell 911's to middle aged starbucks mocha latte frufru drinkers but at the end of the day
ITS A PORSCHE!!!
something I am reminded of everyday when I drive down the hill from my home and take this awesome left right left bender to then merge onto the freeway in a glorious 0-55 (cough.) merge.
15 seconds of bliss without an S2000 motorcyle engine making allot of fuss.

I'm thinking about buying a 928 and a BMW 850. I want a miami vice retro garage.

JackG · 07-26-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Usually, everytime there's a post critical of Porsche or Porsche Quality, any number of True Believers will pull their head out of the Sand and come forward to lambaste the offender who was vile enough to place their beloved Marque in a Bad Light, I mean How Dare They...

They'll go on to assert how Great Porsche is (read was) and that the author of the thread is an ingrateful sod who doesn't realize how Privileged he is to even own one of these cars to begin with. That all cars have flaws, but not all cars are Porsches, in essence to; Live it or Live with it!.

But you can't blame the Subject for pointing out that the Emperor has no Clothes, especially if this is true. Guess they got up late this morning, but I doubt in the end I'll be proven wrong...

By any definition, that was a troll.

Your "true believers" haven't shown up yet, but the two biggest Boxster/Porsche detractors on this forum have, and just two minutes apart. You and Brucelee should join forces and start an anti-Boxster forum (aka Corvette/Esprit forum).

And before you point a finger at me saying "I told you so!", understand this:
I made the choice to buy my Boxster. I love driving it, and understand that there is a risk that it might break. If it does, I'll fix it, and I won't whine about it, because it was my choice, and I am an adult. No one twisted my arm.

I'll say it just once... We all know how you guys feel. You've repeated it many times. Now stop whining about it... get over it already.

Have a nice day.

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 10:45 AM

I am not whining and I never have. I have been consistent in my message which is:

The Boxster is a delight to drive and a delight to look at. I have owned a number of them and they always delight the senses.

The Boxster is overpriced for what Porsche offers. Repairs are similarly overpriced.

The Boxster could be MUCH more reliable and robust. Design flaws of 10 yrs duration are unacceptable in ANY car, period.

I stand by those assessments, which in the end, are just value judgments and opinions.

As are your statements.

Having said that, it is MY sandbox and I will continue to articulate my point of view. You are free to articulate yours.

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Originally Posted by JackG

By any definition, that was a troll.

Your "true believers" haven't shown up yet, but the two biggest Boxster/Porsche detractors on this forum have, and just two minutes apart. You and Brucelee should join forces and start an anti-Boxster forum (aka Corvette/Esprit forum).

And before you point a finger at me saying "I told you so!", understand this:
I made the choice to buy my Boxster. I love driving it, and understand that there is a risk that it might break. If it does, I'll fix it, and I won't whine about it, because it was my choice, and I am an adult. No one twisted my arm.

I'll say it just once... We all know how you guys feel. You've repeated it many times. Now stop whining about it... get over it already.

Have a nice day.

Sammy · 07-26-2006, 10:48 AM

My apologies for starting this... I was only trying to find some humor in my disappointment. Not one of the vehicles I have owned in my life has been flawless; however, the service I have received has always been better than my experiences with my Boxster so far (with the exception of one Nautique (boat) dealer that I will curse to this day). I do have higher expectation for vehicles that carry a higher price tag.

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy

My apologies for starting this... I was only trying to find some humor in my disappointment. Not one of the vehicles I have owned in my life has been flawless; however, the service I have received has always been better than my experiences with my Boxster so far (with the exception of one Nautique (boat) dealer that I will curse to this day). I do have higher expectation for vehicles that carry a higher price tag.

No apologies needed. The car is a wonderful car, it is simply one that has flaws that cannot and should not be ignored.

Perhaps if Porsche got more feedback, they MIGHT attend to the recurring issues that have us commenting.

That would be a GOOD thing!

IowaS · 07-26-2006, 11:04 AM

I must admit that even though I have had my problems, I smile everytime I drive that car...cant say that about others I have owned...

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaS

I must admit that even though I have had my problems, I smile everytime I drive that car...cant say that about others I have owned...

I would agree. I think the enjoyment factor of the Box is even higher than the 911, at least for me it is.

CA_Boxster · 07-26-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaS

I must admit that even though I have had my problems, I smile everytime I drive that car...cant say that about others I have owned...

Yup. I never thought I'd find that old MG "quirkiness" in a car modern enough to enjoy every day.

IowaS · 07-26-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dbth

Boo Hoo , my car's not perfect.
Boo Hoo , my my repair bill is too expensive.
Boo Hoo , my ego wont let me sell my PORSCHE.

What a dilemma.

You were warned that the line has its flaws and the manufacturer is indifferent.
Yet you still bought it and can't part with it , no wonder PORSCHE is the most profitable per vehicle in the world.

Deal with it, fix it , or sell it.

Or you could trade it in for a new 987 (with a new waranty).

At least MACH SCHNELL dumped the wobblewagon and moved on.

Dude, I think you are missing the point...the car has issues that most owners know about before the purchase...I just hope it improves and over the past 9 yrs it hasn't...if I was that far on the edge of the cliff, I would sell it...no ego here..hell I live in Iowa...

denverpete · 07-26-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dbth

...You were warned that the line has its flaws and the manufacturer is indifferent....

I certainly can't speak for everyone - but I sure as hell didn't know about the "flaws". Until I joined this forum, I didn't know anyone else who did either.

MNBoxster · 07-26-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JackG

By any definition, that was a troll.

Your "true believers" haven't shown up yet, but the two biggest Boxster/Porsche detractors on this forum have, and just two minutes apart. You and Brucelee should join forces and start an anti-Boxster forum (aka Corvette/Esprit forum).

And before you point a finger at me saying "I told you so!", understand this:
I made the choice to buy my Boxster. I love driving it, and understand that there is a risk that it might break. If it does, I'll fix it, and I won't whine about it, because it was my choice, and I am an adult. No one twisted my arm.

I'll say it just once... We all know how you guys feel. You've repeated it many times. Now stop whining about it... get over it already.

Have a nice day.

Hi,

Sorry to disturb your nap. You state the obvious when you say that buying the Boxster was your choice, I don't know anyone who did so with a gun to their head.

You seem to focus on my noting the flaws all the while ignoring those positive things I have to say about the car with respect to it's handling, style and comfort.

I'm sorry if it makes you feel bad if I criticize your car - wouldn't it be great if there was nothing to criticize? But, remember, this is my car as well, and my criticisms are aimed at those things which both should and could have been avoided, but they continue to this day after 10 years and 162,000 units produced (not counting 996/997s).

It's great that your car has yet to experience any of these flaws and that you won't complain of it should this happen, but let's just wait 'til that day to see how you'll truly react shall we?

We're not talking about annoyances here, but significant flaws which cost thousands to fix, flaws which should not be present in a car costing this much or produced by Porsche.

Finally, you may not have noticed, but you're under no obligation to read any of my contributions if you find them that disturbing. You have a nice day too...!

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 01:10 PM

"I would think if I ever have issues , I will post a thread looking for solutions and not bellyache endlessly about the product."

That is fine, for YOU.

Others feel differently. If you want to set the rules for a forum, you will have to go buy you own!

Capice?

07-26-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

"I would think if I ever have issues , I will post a thread looking for solutions and not bellyache endlessly about the product."

That is fine, for YOU.

Others feel differently. If you want to set the rules for a forum, you will have to go buy you own!

Capice?

He's not trying to "set the rules". He's just stating his opinion. We all know you're the boss here, and that you set the rules...you remind us about every week.

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bmussatti

He's not trying to "set the rules". He's just stating his opinion. We all know you're the boss here, and that you set the rules...you remind us about every week.

Every other week I think!

Brucelee · 07-26-2006, 01:19 PM

"Out of the several Boxster owners in my area PCA group, NONE of them have had an RMS failure that I'm aware of. It's now time for one of the cheerleaders to give the hourly speech about how none of them have had a failure... YET!"

Here is where you show your ignorance of what you are speaking about.

The RMS issue is widespread and widely talked about. There have been numerous discussions of this design flaw in the Panorama Magazine in the tech section. The writer there has explained in detail how this issue arises and the myriad of workarounds that Porshce has tried.

I have had several discussions on this very topic with my local service manager. He is very candid about this particular design flaw that is STILL NOT FIXED with the use of the Cayeene RMS.

Moreover, there is clearly a large number of intermediate shaft issues, which actually took out the engine on my neighbor's 04 Box.

This is not to diminish the outstanding driving experience that is the Boxster. It is only to put the onus for some pretty serious flaws back on Stuttgart, where they belong.

If that is an example of whining, it will continue unabated until these issues get addressed.

If you don't like that, don't read, or don't post.

I am fine about that.

07-26-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

"Out of the several Boxster owners in my area PCA group, NONE of them have had an RMS failure that I'm aware of. It's now time for one of the cheerleaders to give the hourly speech about how none of them have had a failure... YET!"

Here is where you show your ignorance of what you are speaking about.

This isn't fair, Richard! He's not "ignorant" as you state. He is sighting an example about his own personal experience within his circle of friends and Porsche contacts.

JackG · 07-26-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

"Out of the several Boxster owners in my area PCA group, NONE of them have had an RMS failure that I'm aware of. It's now time for one of the cheerleaders to give the hourly speech about how none of them have had a failure... YET!"

Here is where you show your ignorance of what you are speaking about.

If you don't like that, don't read, or don't post.

I am fine about that.

You should read my post again... I am anything but ignorant about the RMS issue. I never said that there is no issue, as you are implying. Rather, that statistically most owners would never know about this issue if it weren't for forums like this, or the tech section in Panorama (which is focused primarily on flaws!).

Anyway, I can see that you are getting irritated by this thread, and are beginning to take your usual heavy-handed approach. As you say, I am indeed free to not read, and not post. That attitude does amaze me however, as you seem to not care if you offend and run off the very people that the existence of this forum, and its sponsors, relies on. Strange business practice.

Peace out.