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J P Morris 05-19-2017 10:09 AM

Headlights
 
I have a 1986 Boxster 986 w/75,000 miles bought it when it had only 50,000 miles. My problem is my headlights look like the bulbs are burning up the lens. Can I buy specific parts of the headlight assembly without buying the whole headlight assembly.

particlewave 05-19-2017 10:15 AM

No.


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Fintro11 05-19-2017 12:05 PM

http://986forum.com/forums/diy-project-guides/48169-porsche-headlight-retrofit-%5B-cad-prototyping-finish.html

356Guy 05-19-2017 12:37 PM

I've seen a lot of people point to this thread. Are they actually available for shipment?

particlewave 05-19-2017 12:45 PM

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As an alternative, you can completely remove the inner lenses. It looks great and you don't have to worry about burning/melting them ever again.
Of course, if you go through the trouble of opening the headlights, it may be better to just install HID projectors. ;)

BirdDog 05-19-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J P Morris (Post 537867)
I have a 1986 Boxster 986 w/75,000 miles

1986 Boxster? Um, ok...

You can't buy just the lenses unless you get them from someone who is converting their headlights to projectors. I had a brand new set but sold them last year.

Post a message in the parts wanted/for sale section and ask Woody (ItsNotANova) if he has any trashed headlights that you might get an inner lens out of.

Also, check ebay. I've seen some headlights listed where the outer lens was smashed in an accident and the seller was selling off the rest. Try seller QualityPorscheParts. They won't be as cheap as Woody, but they part out a lot of cars and you might get lucky...

Search the forums - there are a couple of threads that discussed how to open the headlights up to get at the inner lenses.

PaulE 05-19-2017 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 356Guy (Post 537885)
I've seen a lot of people point to this thread. Are they actually available for shipment?

Nine8Six is going to be making a new batch sometime soon. He doesn't always do PMs, post a note on the end of that thread and hopefully he'll add you to the list!

Deserion 05-19-2017 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 537888)
As an alternative, you can completely remove the inner lenses. It looks great and you don't have to worry about burning/melting them ever again.
Of course, if you go through the trouble of opening the headlights, it may be better to just install HID projectors. ;)

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...D446498383.jpg

How's the beam pattern without the fluted lens in place? Any annoying glare?

particlewave 05-19-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deserion (Post 537909)
How's the beam pattern without the fluted lens in place? Any annoying glare?

No excessive glare, beam pattern does not change.
The diffusing lens is redundant and unnecessary. ;)

356Guy 05-19-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulE (Post 537905)
Nine8Six is going to be making a new batch sometime soon. He doesn't always do PMs, post a note on the end of that thread and hopefully he'll add you to the list!

Thanks. I don't need them. I was just wondering if they were in production yet.

PaulE 05-20-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 356Guy (Post 537915)
Thanks. I don't need them. I was just wondering if they were in production yet.

If you don't have Litronics, these are the Bee's knees. Compared to the standard halogen headlights the difference is literally night and day! Fred does thrn as a side project from his regular day job, so they're only available when he decides to make a batch.

Fuzzuki 05-20-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 537888)
As an alternative, you can completely remove the inner lenses. It looks great and you don't have to worry about burning/melting them ever again.
Of course, if you go through the trouble of opening the headlights, it may be better to just install HID projectors. ;)

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...D446498383.jpg

How did you "OPEN" them.
I have a great pair just waiting for this to be done.

PaulE 05-20-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzuki (Post 537966)
How did you "OPEN" them.
I have a great pair just waiting for this to be done.

It's all in Nine8Six's (Fred's) thread Porsche Headlight Retrofit [from CAD, prototyping to finish). Particlewave has also posted some Youtube videos on getting the lenses off and reinstalling them.

Italux 05-31-2017 01:27 PM

The inner lens is necessary to correctly distribute the light. Otherwise you risk dazzling cars traveling in the opposite direction.

mikefocke 05-31-2017 04:38 PM

How does it stand up to weather? Does it pass state inspections? Which states?

particlewave 05-31-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Italux (Post 539063)
The inner lens is necessary to correctly distribute the light. Otherwise you risk dazzling cars traveling in the opposite direction.

Incorrect. There are plenty of cars that use smooth reflectors without a diffusing lens.
Yes, it will pass inspection as they are not required. ;)

Example: this Volvo S80 in my driveway uses a halogen bulb with a smooth reflector and no diffusing lens.

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...0264774B93.jpg

Read up on DOT lighting regulation and show where it says a diffusing lens is required.
(Hint: it doesn't :p)

Italux 06-01-2017 09:11 AM

Yes, but in that case it has been studied at the origin and the manufacturer worked on the parabolas to get the correct light distribution.
Why put that inner lens if not necessary?

PaulE 06-01-2017 09:20 AM

I'm not weighing in on the requirement or need for the diffusing lens, but I have a question. But I note that Volvo headlight has something solid right in front of the top of the halogen bulb. My Acura TL has projector low beams and halogen high beams. The halogen high beams also function as the daytime running lights at much lower wattage. The Acura's halogen bulbs also don't have an inner diffusing lens, but they have something similar in front of the top of the halogen bulb.

Could the cover in front of the halogen bulb also act as kind of a diffuser? Also, most of the halogen bulbs I've seen have the top of the bulb frosted a dark gray while the rest of the bulb is clear.

particlewave 06-01-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Italux (Post 539141)
Yes, but in that case it has been studied at the origin and the manufacturer worked on the parabolas to get the correct light distribution.
Why put that inner lens if not necessary?

I have personally removed inner lenses on a couple dozen sets of 986/996 headlights and the owners have had zero issues with glare or "dazzling" and all pass inspection. What is your experience with these headlights?
With all of the cars on the road with misaligned headlights or HID bulbs haphazardly thrown into halogen reflectors, I wouldn't worry about any potential extra glare from a halogen without a diffuser (which isn't an issue, anyway).
I'll say it one last time: it's not necessary. Period. End of discussion.

I have one halogen headlight remaining on my workbench. Someday soon, I'll take comparison shots with and without the inner lens for anyone curious (maybe even video), but I won't debate it. Actual experience beats ill informed speculation every time. :)

particlewave 06-01-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulE (Post 539145)
I'm not weighing in on the requirement or need for the diffusing lens, but I have a question. But I note that Volvo headlight has something solid right in front of the top of the halogen bulb. My Acura TL has projector low beams and halogen high beams. The halogen high beams also function as the daytime running lights at much lower wattage. The Acura's halogen bulbs also don't have an inner diffusing lens, but they have something similar in front of the top of the halogen bulb.

Could the cover in front of the halogen bulb also act as kind of a diffuser? Also, most of the halogen bulbs I've seen have the top of the bulb frosted a dark gray while the rest of the bulb is clear.

The cover is a dual purpose light and heat shield (doesn't function as a very good heat shield in our cars).
All halogen bulbs are dipped in a light blocking paint at the tip so that light is emitted only at the sides, so the light blocker is redundant.

Anyone with burnt inner lenses could try removing them, if they don't want to install projectors, and view the results before sealing them back up.
No need to take my word for it.


That's my last word on the subject. Have fun :)

Nine8Six 06-01-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulE (Post 539145)
Could the cover in front of the halogen bulb also act as kind of a diffuser? Also, most of the halogen bulbs I've seen have the top of the bulb frosted a dark gray while the rest of the bulb is clear.

There was some recent debate among lighting experts on the gray cap-like. Its purpose is not fully understood by our scientists lolll other than only preventing someone to be able to look head-on to the filament. That's all it does - I'm serious. Expert on the other hand recommend against it because they have established that the energy get condensed in this area alone. Similar to what a even layer of body/finger oil does to a glass bulb. Therefore blah blah blah lighting this and that melting fire, explosion, ppl dying. You can guess the end

Italux 06-01-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 539150)

I have one halogen headlight remaining on my workbench. Someday soon, I'll take comparison shots with and without the inner lens for anyone curious (maybe even video), but I won't debate it. Actual experience beats ill informed speculation every time. :)

That's would be much interesting. Just stand in front of a wall at night and see the difference with or without inner lens.

roundel325 06-03-2017 05:19 AM

Can anyone post a photo of a boxster with no-diffuser headlights installed? I'm intrigued...

clickman 06-03-2017 06:27 AM

This discussion is academic. As already mentioned, anyone going to the trouble of tking the headlight apart should install the projector retrofit.

Nine8Six 06-03-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by clickman (Post 539376)
This discussion is academic. As already mentioned, anyone going to the trouble of tking the headlight apart should install the projector retrofit.

I couldn't agree more here! We are making those projectors as I type, hopefully be able to advertise those shortly.

oldskool73 06-03-2017 07:16 PM

I personally think they look a lot better with the diffusers on. The diffusers make it look like one large unit and hark back to the look of classic 911 headlights. Without it (or the Xenon upgrades) it looks a bit cheap.

Side note, the half dozen headlights I've opened up here in Aus all have only a half diffuser, the bottom half is open and the ridged lines on the bottom of the inner bowl 'cover up' the gap visually, quite clever design. Not sure if that helps with the heat... probably not as they were mostly yellowed as well.


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