Buying with IMS replaced

[algiorda]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA View Post
Not at all what I was referring to. People suddenly find metal in their oil, and immediately do the cheapest IMS retrofit in an attempt to get the engine to hold together long enough to either sell of trade in the car before the engine blows. We, and other shops, have seen this more than once. So if you find a car up for sale that has had a very recent retrofit, it would be a good idea to ask yourself why.......

Isn't this an "oxymoron"? Either its a cheap replacement or a retrofit. The LN Retrofit is not a cheap replacement. It's the only solution that brands itself as a retrofit. Some other replacements are OEM. Other solutions are of a different design with roller bearings.

So what exactly do you mean by a Cheap retrofit?

[pidj]

Just to add to what is now becoming an anxiety inducing (to this new owner), frustrating thread, I made the mistake of visiting and reading Jake Raby's website. That's like a nervous flyer watching an air disaster movie whilst in flight. OMG. "Paper thin pistons", "it's going to happen ..."

I give up. Apparently I got taken for a ride to buy a car that has like a 90% M96 failure rate. The guy (Raby) sounds like he knows his stuff which is troubling since experts typically embrace balance ... but not him.

To copy an idea off of this thread: I'll drive it. I don't drive 'spirited' all the time (so that'll help shorten its life) but I'll enjoy what limited time I have with it until it becomes a really big paper weight.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by pidj

Just to add to what is now becoming an anxiety inducing (to this new owner), frustrating thread, I made the mistake of visiting and reading Jake Raby's website. That's like a nervous flyer watching an air disaster movie whilst in flight. OMG. "Paper thin pistons", "it's going to happen ..."

I give up. Apparently I got taken for a ride to buy a car that has like a 90% M96 failure rate. The guy (Raby) sounds like he knows his stuff which is troubling since experts typically embrace balance ... but not him.

To copy an idea off of this thread: I'll drive it. I don't drive 'spirited' all the time (so that'll help shorten its life) but I'll enjoy what limited time I have with it until it becomes a really big paper weight.

Well, all experts have differing opinions and a different way of explaining them. Is it GOING to happen? Well, that's a stretch to say the least. I'm sure some have failed for other reasons. Paper thin? Sounds like a comparison and not an actual measurement. I'll bet Porsche had a reason but those terms made you worry, right? Advertising.

As a steam boiler expert, I'll say that any pressure vessel can explode. Any. Did I just convince you to buy an extra low water cut off or pressure kill switch? What if I say that 99.99% do not explode? Facts can be worded any way someone wants you to feel. It's called advertising. I don't like shock and worry the customer advertising personally, but at some point you need to be aware of the possibilities and other experiences.

Someday, you WILL die. I promise. Should you give up and stay indoors now, or chance it and go outside?

[kk2002s]

If I was thinking of buying a new 986 for $65k dollars back in 2002, knowing about this IMSB issue would have been a big deterrent.
But in most cases here we are talking about 12-16 year old cars with 10s of thousands of miles and multiple owners. 100k miles is not the end of life on cars anymore like cars of the 80s and 90s. Many are buying these cars with 100k+miles and having good experiences with them.
I have fallen into the preventive maintenance thought, trying to stay ahead of issues. Therefore I have come to think of the IMSB like timing belt replacements on many other cars. There are many that don't change the belt or the IMSB and just keep driving them without problems.
What ever you think of those that have a stake in selling IMSB replacements, one thing is true.
The ability to change the 986/996 IMSB is possible and routine now by DIYs with the motor in the car. That by itself is a good thing

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by algiorda

Originally Posted by JFP in PA View Post
Not at all what I was referring to. People suddenly find metal in their oil, and immediately do the cheapest IMS retrofit in an attempt to get the engine to hold together long enough to either sell of trade in the car before the engine blows. We, and other shops, have seen this more than once. So if you find a car up for sale that has had a very recent retrofit, it would be a good idea to ask yourself why.......

Isn't this an "oxymoron"? Either its a cheap replacement or a retrofit. The LN Retrofit is not a cheap replacement. It's the only solution that brands itself as a retrofit. Some other replacements are OEM. Other solutions are of a different design with roller bearings.

So what exactly do you mean by a Cheap retrofit?

I'd start with the steel bearing retrofit sold by Pelican; is was designed from the outset to be the "low cost" alternative to the ceramic hybrid. Some individuals have also started sourcing their own steel "off the shelf" bearings for replacement, again to keep costs down. At best, these bearings have the same life expectancy as the factory bearings.