EPS IMS Bearing Upgrade Kit

[flaps10]

I'm running one. No regrets.

[fanguy]

Flaps10,

Lived in Steilacom for 6 yrs I really wished I still did. Did you spend the extra $99 for the oil feed?

[flaps10]

Originally Posted by fanguy

Flaps10,

Lived in Steilacom for 6 yrs I really wished I still did. Did you spend the extra $99 for the oil feed?

It's a cool town. Super quiet. I've since moved to north Tacoma.

Did not spend the extra $99 but the kit included the punch they suggest you use to pierce the passage anyway. I didn't love that method because you didn't really have control over the size of the hole you make, and the web you are piercing is a very thin cup pressed into the shaft. Whacking it with a hammer and punch didn't seem too smart.

In my case I had the shaft on my bench so I drilled a hole that was in the middle of the range they suggested and blew the chips out. I also pinned my sprocket onto the shaft with set screws, blah, blah.

[Pdwight]

So how about Oil ??????

[Giller]

Why would you get an 05 and change the IMS? Cost of doing all that, you could pretty much be in an 06 with virtually no IMS worries?

[jrebot2]

Thats actually incorrect, mine is an earlier 05 and can change it out. the 06 u have to crack the case or drill it and the 06-08 still fail too

[Giller]

Originally Posted by jrebot2

Thats actually incorrect, mine is an earlier 05 and can change it out. the 06 u have to crack the case or drill it and the 06-08 still fail too

Really? Show us the stats on the failure rate on the 06-08? Virtually zero. Silly to buy 05 and change it. Money towards an 06 and leave it alone.

And yes, as others have said, use the search, tons of info all ready asked and answered.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by jrebot2

Thats actually incorrect, mine is an earlier 05 and can change it out. the 06 u have to crack the case or drill it and the 06-08 still fail too

All 2005's are crapshoot, as it is impossible to know which style bearing is in the car without taking it apart. Production dates are meaningless when it comes to the type of bearing that might be in the engine. You can still have the non serviceable bearing.

[thom4782]

Having followed these IMS threads for years, I've come to the view is that there is no unambiguous answer as to which IMSB is the best replacement option.

Given the consequences of an IMSB failure, my criteria is what impacts do the IMSB replacement candidates have on minimizing potential engine damage either during the stages of failure or everyday operations.

If one's goal is to preserve the engine for a long as possible, then price SHOULD NOT be a major factor when deciding. If on the other hand, one wants to keep the engine running for 5 years or less, then any of the options will probably do and price should play a strong role.

And if you're torn between options, then pick the IMSB option that damages the engine the least when it fails regardless of price. Otherwise, you'll still wonder if you made the right decision

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by thom4782

Having followed these IMS threads for years, I've come to the view is that there is no unambiguous answer as to which IMSB is the best replacement option.

Given the consequences of an IMSB failure, my criteria is what impacts do the IMSB replacement candidates have on minimizing potential engine damage either during the stages of failure or everyday operations.

If one's goal is to preserve the engine for a long as possible, then price SHOULD NOT be a major factor when deciding. If on the other hand, one wants to keep the engine running for 5 years or less, then any of the options will probably do and price should play a strong role.

And if you're torn between options, then pick the IMSB option that damages the engine the least when it fails regardless of price. Otherwise, you'll still wonder if you made the right decision

As a shop owner, I can only reiterate you point, but the reality is that as these cars age, they become cheaper, which seems to lead to second or third owners that care more about cost than perhaps they should, which quite often leads to problems. As the result, we long ago adopted a simple position on repairs: If you want us to fix something, we are only going to do procedure's and use components that we have confidence in; if cost is your only decision factor, take the car somewhere else. We simply do not need your business badly enough to cut corners or sacrifice quality. Come back's and problems resulting from cutting corners are a shop's worst nightmare, and the least economic outcome for owners.

[Geof3]

Originally Posted by thom4782

Having followed these IMS threads for years, I've come to the view is that there is no unambiguous answer as to which IMSB is the best replacement option.

Given the consequences of an IMSB failure, my criteria is what impacts do the IMSB replacement candidates have on minimizing potential engine damage either during the stages of failure or everyday operations.

If one's goal is to preserve the engine for a long as possible, then price SHOULD NOT be a major factor when deciding. If on the other hand, one wants to keep the engine running for 5 years or less, then any of the options will probably do and price should play a strong role.

And if you're torn between options, then pick the IMSB option that damages the engine the least when it fails regardless of price. Otherwise, you'll still wonder if you made the right decision

Generally, I would agree with you. However, roller bearings are NOT expensive generally. So really, when looking at the options, some are ridiculously over priced IMO. There are some specialized bearings, but it would seem that for the most part, the bearing supplied in a good portion of the kits are not particularly special. So, the cost then must be justified in the other components and "R&D". Like some life saving medications, there seems to be a bit of a soaking going on with some of these components. In the EPS case, given the part warranty (one of the best ones) and ZERO failure rate, plus the cost, it seems to make pretty good sense. It would be interesting, after all of this IMS discussion, to see who used what, when etc. and then cross referenced the secondary failures, if any, in the given replacement systems. Probably never happen.