A place for my piece

[Giller]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

My opinion? This was started as a pro gun thread, dumb ass.
Go away. Your opinion is not wanted and was not asked for here.

I'm glad you've never been attacked. I have no doubt how that would play out.

Neither was yours....and since you've never backed anything you've said up with ANY facts - that makes you the dumb ass.

Apparently trying to have an intelligent conversation is over your head.

You sir, are pathetic...yet still hilarious.

Common, say some more dumb things and make me laugh!

[Chuck W.]

For those that elect to carry a firearm remember to train and put a lot of rounds down range. Know your weapon and have the right mental preparation. Police Officers are well trained and have a 15-25 percent hit probability in street encounters when they fire their guns. It is one thing to shoot a paper target in a sterile environment. It is another to engage an armed suspect. Particularly if he is firing at you. Now... back to Boxsters!!!!

[imon_2nd]

Interesting thread. I've known many guys and a few gals who've kept a handgun in their vehicle, usually in the glove box. Surprisingly, none of these folks ever mentioned having one stolen. Hiding it more securely means reducing access, which kind of defeats the purpose, as some here have already mentioned.

Given how light and compact some of the new pistols are, why not just wear it in a shoulder holster under your jacket or shirt? Assuming of course that you're in a jurisdiction that allows it. Note that even here in NorCal where restrictions abound, concealed carry permits are easy to get.

[78F350]

Originally Posted by imon_2nd

Interesting thread. I've known many guys and a few gals who've kept a handgun in their vehicle, usually in the glove box. Surprisingly, none of these folks ever mentioned having one stolen. Hiding it more securely means reducing access, which kind of defeats the purpose, as some here have already mentioned.

Given how light and compact some of the new pistols are, why not just wear it in a shoulder holster under your jacket or shirt?...

For me, having a place to keep it in the car is not about access. It's about secure storage when I am leaving my car and entering a place where firearms are not allowed.
Some places I go have this:



If I'm in the car, it's on me.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by 78F350

For me, having a place to keep it in the car is not about access. It's about secure storage when I am leaving my car and entering a place where firearms are not allowed.
Some places I go have this:



If I'm in the car, it's on me.

Here, that sign is BS unless they register as a no carry zone with the state. They can always refuse service for any reason, but it's not a crime unless they register and are listed on the BCI website. Besides, concealed means concealed.

[jb92563]

Czech military pistol CZ-52 You can run but you can't hide from this one. the 7.62x25 round will penetrate level 2 armor so it will go right through a car door or window like butter and come out the other side. Not so good for home defence as the bullets go through rather than mushroom in the target.
Accurate to 50 yards.
I take it to the rifle range as the pistol range is not very challenging.

German Police Sig P230 (9mm). Fits in the hand perfectly and is easy to aim well.
Its very ergonomic and comfortable grip, but have to remember its not got a conventional safety lever.

Romanian SKS (7.62x39) is the perfect carbine sized gun for fending off a small army, acurate, fast loading with clipper strips and good range.
A fore runner to the AK47 design.
I imagine this as a post 9 earthquake defense weapon as people start raiding others homes for food and water.

Mosin Nagant 91/30 PU (7.62x52) Accurate to 550 yds, with a scope and makes for a decent low cost sniper rifle for hunting at a distance.

If I ever had to defend myself I'd go for the Sig 9mm. You will never pull the trigger and come up against the safety.

[Jamesp]

Breaking news from Houston per radio station KTRH. A Houston resident was approached yesterday in his driveway by an armed robber who was demanding money. The resident reached into his car, pulled out a gun and shot the armed robber dead on the spot. KTRH didn't say if the resident proceeded to hand his wallet over to the armed robber. My guess is the resident kept his wallet (and his life).

[Pdwight]

Originally Posted by Chuck W.

For those that elect to carry a firearm remember to train and put a lot of rounds down range. Know your weapon and have the right mental preparation. Police Officers are well trained and have a 15-25 percent hit probability in street encounters when they fire their guns. It is one thing to shoot a paper target in a sterile environment. It is another to engage an armed suspect. Particularly if he is firing at you. Now... back to Boxsters!!!!

Add a little, agreed train with it. Make time to fire 18 to 24 rounds every month. I shot for a Law Enforcement Agency for 8 years way back in the 70's and 80's....we shot 2 to 4 hundred rounds per week just in practice and then a match every weekend. Use the gun enough that you never feel encumbered with it in your hand.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Pdwight

Add a little, agreed train with it. Make time to fire 18 to 24 rounds every month. I shot for a Law Enforcement Agency for 8 years way back in the 70's and 80's....we shot 2 to 4 hundred rounds per week just in practice and then a match every weekend. Use the gun enough that you never feel encumbered with it in your hand.

I shoot 100 pistol rounds a week, easy. Typically closer to 200. That includes .357 mag SA shooting as well.

Then it's about 50 for each rifle, usually 2-3.

Then 2 rounds (50) trap. That's a Saturday morning. Try to go every week.

[BIGJake111]

@giller is right. There is a reason my grounds on this are entirely philosophical and I never bring up facts and for the time being have little intention to buy a gun for myself.

The right to a gun is as important as the right to free speech and I'll do anything I can to defend it. But it's not like it's perfect.

Anyways insert Jefferson Quote: "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem."

[Deserion]

Single-shot .22LR is a great practice round for young'ins. No chance of repeatability.

[BRAN]

Guys, guys...relax
We all should not believe unconditionally everything we read or see.
Information vs. disinformation
public opinion/information vs. published opinion/information

...but there is no reason to become paranoid...lol

UNODC = united nations office on drugs and crime
Most dangerous countries in the world:
Venezuela
Guatemala
Columbia
South Africa
Jamaica

OECD country ranking:
Brasil
Russia
Mexico

And it is true, that the homicide numbers are declining in the U.S. (source UNODC website - data is 3 years old now) Licensed gun owners seem to be statisically "almost" neglectable.

homicide per 100.000 citizens
Germany = 0.8
U.K. = 1.2
Canada = 1.6
U.S.A = 4.7

Keep doors locked at all times, don't "invite" (or make it easy for) anyone to commit a crime.
Lets hope, that gun owners will never have to use it in their lifetime, statistically it seems to be the case.

Thank you for the "conversation", was interesting and I learned something, which is always good.
Personally, I wouldn't get that emotional about "that kinda stuff", but to each their own

[Timco]

So just this AM. Sitting outside my shop. Really bad shape Subaru wagon pulls up very close to my drivers side. One black guy, ragged clothes and hair. "Hey, man. What kind of car is that??"

Now, I'm a car guy. I like other car guys. This guy was not a car guy. He never once looked at my car, he just tried to look at me in the cab of the small car. He could tell I was fidgeting a bit and seemed concerned as he sat a bit higher in his seat. As I tell him it's a Porsche and no, it's not $100k, he says was that new? I say no, it's 2004. "So like $100k for a 04? " just requoting my words. Finally there's a pause, he looks me in the eyes, then drives off.

I'll add this. To the Canadians, we have something here in all major cities called desperation. Be it addiction, food, or a tooth brush, there's desperation. That means there are people here that will use any situation that suits them to kill / rob you for what you have on you right now...and will not care about what they just did or to whom they did it. That's the bottom line. I don't carry to defend myself from other guns, it's this guy I worry about. I didn't wave anything in his face, no "clip dump", no warnings given. Had he raised his hand quickly, I would have drawn and made my decision to kill him between hidden and pointed based on his actions. When you're in an alley like that, where stolen cars get dumped regularly, nobody belongs down there. Nothing good happens down there.





This was my view. For the Canadians, it's OK. Para Ordinance is made in Canada, eh...

[clabar1]

Timco,
You sound like a very attentive guy. Keep you smoke on your hip so you don't waste time digging for it. Always maintain eye contact on their hands, not their faces, and remember you had better see a visible threat before smoking a scrote. I have considerable knowledge about shoot situations (Civilian/Military). The liberals are changing the ROE daily. Don't waste a scrote in vain.



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[Timco]

Originally Posted by clabar1

Timco,
You sound like a very attentive guy. Keep you smoke on your hip so you don't waste time digging for it. Always maintain eye contact on their hands, not their faces, and remember you had better see a visible threat before smoking a scrote. I have considerable knowledge about shoot situations (Civilian/Military). The liberals are changing the ROE daily. Don't waste a scrote in vain.



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I've never taken classes but shoot easily 100 pistol rounds a week to bi-weekly. This guy was higher than me, so no sight on his hands. That's why it was very tense. Babble and stupid small talk while he assessed me. Now, I'm not going to kill him over sneezing, but if he had motioned more or moved like lifting a pistol I was ready. It was very tense is all I can say.

I've carried plenty, but never carry into the public's homes because I refuse to be like the local gay population and shove it in anyone's face that I'm legally allowed. Many people don't like armed citizens and so be it. There's things I don't like. Issue is I've never found a holster I like (paddle style) and I never wear a belt, so it's new to me to carry. I'm not looking to save the public, or anyone else but me and my family.

Same topic. How do we suppose these criminals get guns? I'd say finding them in a car is #1, then in home burglaries.

Two weeks back. Sitting in that truck, right where the car is. Guy in white car way off in distance. So what. Commercial area. Then he passes me. I don't even look, so what. Then I see he turned around and was coming back down my street. Same situation, gun in hand. He stops by me, and I'm waiting for "where's unit B?" and as I look down, he's 'pleasuring himself'. I raise that pistol and when it breaks the plane of the door into window, his tires screeched and he took right the hell off. In my book, there's a sexual assault and no, I wouldn't have shot him, but I put an end to it on my terms.

[clabar1]

Timco,
Go to Alien Gear Holsters. Get a BOGO. Quality without expense. And you can tote without the winks. Nice car.


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[smshirk]

Damn is there no where to get away from political bull**************** this is a Porsche forum


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[Timco]

Originally Posted by smshirk

Damn is there no where to get away from political bull**************** this is a Porsche forum


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Yes. Yes there is. Don't click theses threads or post in them, thus bumping this post back up?

It was a Porsche Boxster related post. You are under zero obligation to post or take part.

[jb92563]

Just as a note to Giller and some other Canadians still in Canada.

I felt as you did having never owned a gun in 40 years living in Ontario, but when I moved to the US there was a big contrast in police and criminal presence.

I would go a week or more without even seeing a police cruiser of any kind in Ontario where as now I see on the average 5-6 cruisers per day. It gave me the impression that it is more dangerous here, and it is.

The are a lot of uncivilized, angry crazy people here and they are mostly armed and not afraid to get into trouble since the legal system here does not seem very strict and they know they will be free again soon.

It was unsettling at first but then I got armed and went to the range to learn how to use the weapons and now I feel more secure. Its probably a false sense of security but I can accept it and the fact that I am not totally helpless and at the criminals mercy.

I would gladly give up all those weapons if they were outright abolished across ALL the states and that the penalty for even possessing a hand gun was 5 years in prison or more.

The people in the US do not know the kind of freedom and peace that lays across the boarder in Canada. Its is very special and I can appreciate it much more now that I have the contrast to compare.

Taking away guns here would be a destabilizing change in the favor of criminals. I think this could only be changed by reducing the number of criminals to the point where people here can feel safe unarmed, but how could something like that be accomplished????

So for now I'm with the pro-gun folks where I'd rather have the gun pried from my cold dead hands than be gunned down weaponless.