A place for my piece

[Crib]

Might be a bit naive here in my little swedish bubble but i have two thoughts...

1. It's unfair to compare raw data on pros and cons without taking into account what cultures and thereby perspectives and prerequisites really mean. If you dont live with the obvious risk to face a gun on the way from the pub it's easier to be a pacifist.

2. On the other hand, culture and thereby perspectives and prerequisites change over time - followed by many laws and rights, from the 18th century have been updated through time.

This doesnt happen through a short term two-step political program though...

[jpl2407]

Sooo, getting back on topic, I have a BlackHawk Serpa (Retention) holster mounted under the steering column. It is secure, concealed and easily accessible should I need it.

[Beer]

Thanks for deleting my post, whomever you are.

[Muzzle of Bees]

I keep my pistol on the passenger floor and always look for anyone approaching me when I am stopped or driving away slowly. Plus, I would run their ass down too.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Muzzle of Bees

I keep my pistol on the passenger floor and always look for anyone approaching me when I am stopped or driving away slowly. Plus, I would run their ass down too.

So you see Pete, I lived in Texas, too, and yah know... running ass down isn't even a misdemeanor in Tejas. Enjoy your Merrit, your 55mph, the headquarters of the WWE, and Lyme tick disease :dance:

[FoxRvrBox]

Two of my favorite topics rolled into one! Here in the Peoples Republic of Illinois its difficult but not impossible to get a concealed carry permit. The vast majority of US shootings are by / between criminals. The anti-2A crowd will not differentiate the two. Criminals, by definition, will not obey any anti-gun law. Disarming the law abiding will not make us safer.
The link from cfos is a story about a concealed carrier who tried to assist in an altercation and was killed ... it does not make peterbrowns point invalid - he is asking for a doucumented situation where a CC holder used his gun in anger, which this is clearly not.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by FoxRvrBox

The link from cfos is a story about a concealed carrier who tried to assist in an altercation and was killed ... it does not make peterbrowns point invalid - he is asking for a doucumented situation where a CC holder used his gun in anger, which this is clearly not.

Ah! My bad. Will this one meet the criteria? So many rules here... really kills the metaphors and possible-world semantics. But we must be accurate, or surely cfos will draw out something we say and poke fun at the grammar, innuendo, and general language used. That guy is such an ass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/05/05/parishioner-shot-to-death-in-church-during-hymns-was-only-armed-with-his-bible-police-say/

I understand that the article above describes a "seating" incident - which does not DIRECTLY correlate to "standing on line" (pardon my regional grasp of dialect, I still, to this day prefer "on line" in place of "in line"), but in essence, I do feel that the whole argument arose from placement, some stupid argument, and well, anger. I guess... we will never know... for surely the argument would have been made that the result would have been the same had the guy brought a knife to a "bible fight". Am I right? And I'm sure, out there, somewhere, there are churchgoers that may/can be armed and do not shoot others. Is there an article about that?

[petee_c]

Interesting and entertaining discussion.

Brought up in Canada, our gun laws are really restrictive. I have looked at getting a RPAL to own a handgun, but haven't had the time. You're talking about a waiting list to attend a day(?) long safety course, and then a lengthy waiting period for your application to go through the RCMP.

You can only fire it at your own approved range. Plinking in the back 90 not allowed.

Sadly, I only can fire my pellet gun in my basement range. Working on stacking 5 pellets in a dime.

The law does not look kindly at using a firearm for home defence up here.

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[jb92563]

This is how you defend your property and loved ones in Canada.







Don't need no stinking guns here!

[Timco]

Guys, guys, guys.

It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Pistols have a mag well. Only an M1 Garand (Canadian) and some stripper clip WWII guns use clips.

Thank you for your cooperation. Carry on...

[jb92563]

Originally Posted by Timco

Guys, guys, guys.

It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Pistols have a mag well. Only an M1 Garand (Canadian) and some stripper clip WWII guns use clips.

Thank you for your cooperation. Carry on...

Yes, stripper clip (bullets on a clip) is for loading a fixed Magazine (below)quickly.

[Deserion]

I may look into fabbing a metal lockbox to fit under one of the seats. Somewhat inconspicuous.

[CHRISP357]

I'm reminded of the pathetic cowards who criticize our troops to cover their fear of fighting in the military. If you aren't confident enough to carry and want a nanny state to defend you and your family, fine. Just keep your mouth ( or fingers in this case) shut. No one asked your opinion here.

[Pdwight]

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.

[BrokenLinkage]

I wish everyone would carry. It would save me the trouble. Kind of like herd immunity. Sorry Giller, but if enough people just fork over the wallet and avert their eyes, then the criminal act is reinforced as a successful alternative to gainful employment, and we are all less safe from the bad guys who often lack impulse control and have never experienced gun control.
BTW, I live in a reasonably safe area, yet it has been all of 10 days since I was 1st on scene of a carjacking 150 ft from my house. I was unarmed. The victim had a permit but was also unarmed at the time. She got back her wrecked car, broken phone, her credit, and most of the contents of her purse. A suspect is in custody. But she she can't get back the three plus days of lost time, and she won't feel safe walking to her car for a long time. I bet she shoots the next mofo who tries (I will thank her for the public service if she does).
Cultural bias / background: raised in the South, prep school to graduate education, professional, 2 siblings in law enforcement, one in-law career military, nephew a bounty hunter. Very pro-gun, in spite of the fact that some of the jokers with guns scare the S out of me; that is part of the price of freedom.
For a more factual perspective, look at the controlled study that is Kennessaw GA, and the impact on crime of requiring gun ownership.

And Dwight, try a fixed mount inside the pocket on the back of the passenger seat.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BrokenLinkage

I wish everyone would carry. It would save me the trouble. Kind of like herd immunity. Sorry Giller, but if enough people just fork over the wallet and avert their eyes, then the criminal act is reinforced as a successful alternative to gainful employment, and we are all less safe from the bad guys who often lack impulse control and have never experienced gun control.
BTW, I live in a reasonably safe area, yet it has been all of 10 days since I was 1st on scene of a carjacking 150 ft from my house. I was unarmed. The victim had a permit but was also unarmed at the time. She got back her wrecked car, broken phone, her credit, and most of the contents of her purse. A suspect is in custody. But she she can't get back the three plus days of lost time, and she won't feel safe walking to her car for a long time. I bet she shoots the next mofo who tries (I will thank her for the public service if she does).
Cultural bias / background: raised in the South, prep school to graduate education, professional, 2 siblings in law enforcement, one in-law career military, nephew a bounty hunter. Very pro-gun, in spite of the fact that some of the jokers with guns scare the S out of me; that is part of the price of freedom.
For a more factual perspective, look at the controlled study that is Kennessaw GA, and the impact on crime of requiring gun ownership.

And Dwight, try a fixed mount inside the pocket on the back of the passenger seat.

But there is zero correlation between states where you can carry and those you can't with regard the crime rates, therefore there is zero proof that carrying actually reduces any crime.

Again, I'm fine if you want to carry cause it makes you feel better or it's your right, but you just can't argue it reduces crime. The facts do not support it.

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by Giller

But there is zero correlation between states where you can carry and those you can't with regard the crime rates, therefore there is zero proof that carrying actually reduces any crime.

Again, I'm fine if you want to carry cause it makes you feel better or it's your right, but you just can't argue it reduces crime. The facts do not support it.

The facts certainly do support it Hillary. You're just to stupid to understand the big words.
Look, you're a miserable little coward who is terrified of having to defend yourself or any family you may or may not have. Fine. We get it. Just stop criticizing the responsible people who will defend you when the time comes.

[Beer]

We have COPS meetings in my neighborhood, where a police representative comes and gives talks on safety. His take on carry is to do it, if you feel comfortable. The police would rather show up with a dead perpetrator than a dead victim.

Also the Supreme Court says the police do not have a responsibility to protect you. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the INDIVIDUAL to protect themselves. I know certain groups don't like those words.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by Pdwight

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

I'm reminded of the pathetic cowards who criticize our troops to cover their fear of fighting in the military. If you aren't confident enough to carry and want a nanny state to defend you and your family, fine. Just keep your mouth ( or fingers in this case) shut. No one asked your opinion here.

You keep spouting off your 'opinion' but won't follow your own advice. Nor have you backed up any of your silly statements with facts. And coward? You're the one so scared he has to carry a gun to protect himself. Me, I walk around unarmed all day with confidence....and no one has attacked me yet!!! Shocking!

You're hilarious.

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by Giller

You keep spouting off your 'opinion' but won't follow your own advice. Nor have you backed up any of your silly statements with facts. And coward? You're the one so scared he has to carry a gun to protect himself. Me, I walk around unarmed all day with confidence....and no one has attacked me yet!!! Shocking!

You're hilarious.

My opinion? This was started as a pro gun thread, dumb ass.
Go away. Your opinion is not wanted and was not asked for here.

I'm glad you've never been attacked. I have no doubt how that would play out.