02-23-2016, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Coral Springs FL
Posts: 1,617
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Let me share my 2 cents.
I have been following this forum (and others) for the past 6 years.
The first time I read about the vibration, was in one of Jake Raby posts about the potential reasons for the IMSB failure.
If to be honest, no one really convinced me with the true reason for the failure. Although there are a liot of theories out there, there is no logic explanation (to me) why some fail and some don't.
The only theory that made a sense to me, is the one presented by Jake, talking about the vibration at the 3000 RPM range.
If I remember correctly, he mentioned that the flywheel is acting as a harmonic balancer, and there is a natural vibration due to the tension on the IMS to crank chain.
He also implied that low mileage cars are more prone to failure under the assumption that they are not driven hard enough. Also explain some documented cases of multiple failures with the same driver, to suggest the way you drive your car contributes to the IMSB failure.
Up to here, these are words of my memory, so I might not be 100% accurate (and I apologize for that) with Mr. Raby words.
To speak from my personal experience, I can tell you that there is a significant vibration in the 2700-3200 RPM range. It is mostly noticeable on deceleration. (Meaning when the engine RPM drops from 3200 to 2700) and RPM fluctuation.
On my ex 99 base, the flywheel was completely shot at 160K miles.
I could clearly feel the vibration at the above mentioned RPM range, and it was gone, as soon as I installed a new flywheel, just before e I sold the car.
Since then (and if to be honest also before) I try to keep the RPM on the 3000-4000.
It is also more fun, although less fuel efficient.
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02-23-2016, 06:01 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: California
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Replace the Dual Mass Flywheel.
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02-24-2016, 09:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: San Jose, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jager
Replace the Dual Mass Flywheel.
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With What?
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2000 S - Borla Exhaust, TS Cat Deletes, RSS UDP, B&M Short Shift, T96 Steering Wheel, Potenza RE-71R's,
Mantis 2.0L Deep Sump, de-snorkeled, Bilstein PSS9 Coil-Overs, Rennline lug studs, and auto crossed regularly.
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02-24-2016, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dlirium
With What?
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A new Dual Mass Flywheel.
I use LUK brand.
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02-26-2016, 01:31 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: santa barbara, CA & Devon, UK
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Oh - Great....Something else to add to the "s--t to worry about" list!
3000 rpm seems to be my favorite rpm - running around town and on the freeway 75+ in 5th!
I don't drop much below but normal use I tend to be 3000 to 4500.
In the twisty bits I tend to run 4500 to 5500.
Last edited by njbray; 02-26-2016 at 02:46 PM.
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02-26-2016, 11:58 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 117
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I had this issue for some years
Mine is a 2,7 my 2000
Purchased in 05. First thing on the fix list was a new motormount.This did not cure the vibrations.
At that time I noticed that changing the way the rear muffler was hanging changed the amplitude of the vibrations.
Anyway, I replaced the dmf but no improvement at all and learned to live with it for some years.
A rear cat delete was done and vibrations moved up to the 3400 rpm range, out of my cruising speed.
Still a little bit annoying so I devided to do a second motor mount job and found that there was a later version available, even softer rubber. This was the cure but instead I got a feeling that the engine is moving around in the back when I am a little bit inspired.
I consider my engine to be well maintained and in good condition with 10k km on the odo, us import...
But the 3k rpm vibration is there, only hidden by a rubber mount but I gues this is the same for all engines, amplitude is just depending on the internal tolerances.
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