Why are BMW's so slow in reality ( specifically 335i )

[PorscheBound]

I love all the butt hurt street racing posts. Everyone has this broken idea of what a street race is. I think most older gentleman in this group have seen one too many fast and furious movies and took it to heart. There are plenty of scenarios where a street race is just as safe on the street as it is on a track if not more safe because some scenarios allow for greater areas of error unlike the track where you have a far greater chance of going into a jersey wall.

Not saying this was the scenario but what's the harm in putting 2 performance cars to the test if your on an open stretch of road with no one else around? Only people getting hurt would be those involved. Just like at a track.

And for the argument of people saying these are not straight line cars....I understand their performance is greater in the turns but a 13 second quarter mile is very respectable so running the car in a straight line, the car holds its own against cars that were built for the straight line.

Street racing can be very stupid in most scenarios. With that said there are plenty of scenarios that any critical thinking person could look at and say "no one on the road, flat road, wide road, weather conditions good, only harm done is those involved."

Flame suit has been put on. Godspeed.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

I love all the butt hurt street racing posts. Everyone has this broken idea of what a street race is. I think most older gentleman in this group have seen one too many fast and furious movies and took it to heart. There are plenty of scenarios where a street race is just as safe on the street as it is on a track if not more safe ...

Under no circumstance is street racing on a PUBLIC road "safe". First of all, 9 times in 10 you don't know the skill set of the driver in the other car. Neither do you know the condition of his machinery as being safe to race at high speed. When you leave so many IMPORTANT variables up to chance you are simply showing a lack of grey matter. I used to work in the criminal courts many ages ago. Two guys came in from jail for street racing. One guy had some German luxury car the other an American sports car. They decided to race and ended up hitting a bystander in another car who was killed. Mr. luxury car got a big time criminal defense lawyer and "only" did a couple of years in jail for manslaughter. The guy in the other car apparently couldn't afford a $50K legal defense (your insurance does not cover this) and was convicted of "Death by Auto" and was sentenced to 10 years in a maximum security prison. He's now a convicted felon with some seriously compromised life options. Not to mention he destroyed the family of the victim. Either of those two jokers could be any guy racing on the street.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Under no circumstance is street racing on a PUBLIC road "safe". First of all, 9 times in 10 you don't know the skill set of the driver in the other car. Neither do you know the condition of his machinery as being safe to race at high speed. When you leave so many IMPORTANT variables up to chance you are simply showing a lack of grey matter. I used to work in the criminal courts many ages ago. Two guys came in from jail for street racing. One guy had some German luxury car the other an American sports car. They decided to race and ended up hitting a bystander in another car who was killed. Mr. luxury car got a big time criminal defense lawyer and "only" did a couple of years in jail for manslaughter. The guy in the other car apparently couldn't afford a $50K legal defense (your insurance does not cover this) and was convicted of "Death by Auto" and was sentenced to 10 years in a maximum security prison. He's now a convicted felon with some seriously compromised life options. Not to mention he destroyed the family of the victim. Either of those two jokers could be any guy racing on the street.

So you missed the whole evaluating conditions part of my post I see. Read my last sentence in the third paragraph about being a critical thinker...

Not knowing someone else's car condition is a risk you take at the track. Yes there is tech inspection but anything can happen at anytime. And again on the street you may have more opportunity to avoid a situation of a car losing control next to you because you are not trapped in by jersey walls.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

So you missed the whole evaluating conditions part of my post I see. Read my last sentence in the third paragraph about being a critical thinker...

Not knowing someone else's car condition is a risk you take at the track. Yes there is tech inspection but anything can happen at anytime. And again on the street you may have more opportunity to avoid a situation of a car losing control next to you because you are not trapped in by jersey walls.

No I didn't miss it. That's why I said 9 in 10 times. Street racing is nearly always impromptu. Driver A sees Driver B behind the wheel of a certain type of car and a dim little light bulb goes off in his dim little head: time to race! I know that there is "organized" street racing but this is even more retarded because you are (A) needlessly risking the lives of bystanders on public roads since you can't limit access of others during "the race", when (B) there are always venues for drag racing with emergency services standing by and (C) you won't go to jail and lose driving privileges, pay insane insurance, etc., etc. There is literally no reason to drag race on public roads other than reckless disregard for the safety of other drivers. Same applies to these guys on motorcycles doing 160 with clueless SUV driving-while texting motorists in the same lane.

And yes a track is where greater risks are taken, my point exactly.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

No I didn't miss it. That's why I said 9 in 10 times. Street racing is nearly always impromptu. Driver A sees Driver B behind the wheel of a certain type of car and a dim little light bulb goes off in his dim little head: time to race! I know that there is "organized" street racing but this is even more retarded because you are (A) needlessly risking the lives of bystanders on public roads since you can't limit access of others during "the race", when (B) there are always venues for drag racing with emergency services standing by and (C) you won't go to jail and lose driving privileges, pay insane insurance, etc., etc. There is literally no reason to drag race on public roads other than reckless disregard for the safety of other drivers. Same applies to these guys on motorcycles doing 160 with clueless SUV driving-while texting motorists in the same lane.

And yes a track is where greater risks are taken, my point exactly.

You continue to bring up how it's endangering innocent bystanders. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate that a proper street race doesn't involve innocent bystanders. Again this is the broken concept of street racing. All anyone thinks of is people weaving in and out of traffic with people walking on sidewalks and baby's in strollers. Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light. I don't think you need to argue that street racing with others in the area is stupid. No one here is disagreeing with that, yet you continue to use that as your argument.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

You continue to bring up how it's endangering innocent bystanders. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate that a proper street race doesn't involve innocent bystanders. Again this is the broken concept of street racing. All anyone thinks of is people weaving in and out of traffic with people walking on sidewalks and baby's in strollers. Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light. I don't think you need to argue that street racing with others in the area is stupid. No one here is disagreeing with that, yet you continue to use that as your argument.

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Giller

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

If you can't drive a car straight on a public road then maybe you shouldn't have a license. That's what I got from your comment.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Giller

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

if someone "wanders" on to a 70mph highway they are dead. A car hitting a person at 70 will kill them just as well as hitting them at 60mph

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light.

How can you have clear roads when you don't have the authority to shut them down to any incoming traffic in the first place?

Mostly clear, and usually clear is not clear.

Either the road has been cut off from additional traffic or it hasn't. Basically you're simply trying to re-invent a safe condition that already exists at a dedicated drag strip... for no good reason.
That's like going swimming at the sewage treatment plant because it's more exciting than the swimming in the pool at your gym.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

How can you have clear roads when you don't have the authority to shut them down to any incoming traffic in the first place?

Mostly clear, and usually clear is not clear.

Either the road has been cut off from additional traffic or it hasn't. Basically you're simply trying to re-invent a safe condition that already exists at a dedicated drag strip... for no good reason.
That's like going swimming at the sewage treatment plant because it's more exciting than the swimming in the pool at your gym.

Have you ever been in the country? Ever see a road stretch straight and flat as far as the eye can see? We are talking 1/4 mile races here that wrap up in 12-14 seconds. If you can't see a clear enough path for a 12-14 second window for a straightaway that is a serious lack of judgement.

Again I feel a picture is being painted here of a 3 mile long race that lasts for minutes on end. This stuff is over in a blink of an eye. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of bad things can happen in a blink of an eye. It's in a mans blood to go faster than the guy next to him. There is a time and a place for everything. Some argue that time and place is a track. But if you truly believe you can't safely do a quick pull with someone next to you on a wide open road that you can CLEARLY see no intersections, no people and not a chance of a random person walking out in the middle of the road, then my god, you live one ridiculously over cautious life. I'm surprised you take the risk of getting into a car every day and better yet bought a performance car.

For the record I respect you as a person on the forum particle wave. You bring a lot of positive posts to this community and I'm not here to be causing a heated argument (I don't think it's heated) I think we will just go back and fourth for ever on this so I'll just agree to disagree.

I fully understand the bad reputation street racing has in the publics eye. Plenty of idiots out there. With that said plenty of people run a respectable race endangering no one but them selves. Go to Texas. If you are telling me there are not roads in Texas that are acceptable for a street race than we will never find common ground. Those roads exist somewhere in just about every state.

[Top_Ramen]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

I love all the butt hurt street racing posts. Everyone has this broken idea of what a street race is. I think most older gentleman in this group have seen one too many fast and furious movies and took it to heart. There are plenty of scenarios where a street race is just as safe on the street as it is on a track if not more safe because some scenarios allow for greater areas of error unlike the track where you have a far greater chance of going into a jersey wall.

Not saying this was the scenario but what's the harm in putting 2 performance cars to the test if your on an open stretch of road with no one else around? Only people getting hurt would be those involved. Just like at a track.

As someone that was a previous "street racer" I 100% agree with this. "Street racing" in my eyes is dead now due to misconceptions and the new "racers" that think blasting on the highway is racing.

When I was younger, me and my buddies used to head out racing almost EVERY weekend. But was it dangerous?? **************** yeah, but we took as many precautions as we could, like setting up the race at a different location or even online so we wouldn't have an exodus of cars following us and maybe endangering if 1 of the cars racing got sideways. We also would go somewhere secluded wide enough in case of error, long enough to have stopping room, and definitely not on the highway blasting too 180mph+ speeds that you see these days all over the internet.

....I loved every second of it. Getting a call for a potential race, loading up the trailer, arguing for countless hours about stipulations, and just the rush of testing your car and yourself trying to stick rubber to unprepped pavement. Call me wreckless, ignorant, whatever etc. It's an American past time in my opinion but so frowned upon now because of media and people not knowing what they're doing


...Sorry for the long rant, but back on topic, I don't think the 335 was on it

[Nmbrsix]

I have significant seat time in an E90 335i AT as well as an E92 M3.

There's no way a well driven E90 or F30 335i is going to lose any straight line speed contest to a 2.7L Boxster. I would be ill-advised to take one on with my 3.2.

Also, street racing is stupid.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Nmbrsix

I have significant seat time in an E90 335i AT as well as an E92 M3.

There's no way a well driven E90 or F30 335i is going to lose any straight line speed contest to a 2.7L Boxster. I would be ill-advised to take one on with my 3.2.

Also, street racing is stupid.

Perhaps he kept missing gears, always a possibility, although that's less likely at highway speeds but who knows? Maybe he slipped from 3rd to 5th each time

But in my opinion, if a car is so difficult to drive that an owner of the vehicle would keep missing gears then that's a partial reflection on the vehicle itself. Why own a vehicle that's difficult to drive that only a professional can get to accelerate well?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

I love all the butt hurt street racing posts. Everyone has this broken idea of what a street race is. I think most older gentleman in this group have seen one too many fast and furious movies and took it to heart. There are plenty of scenarios where a street race is just as safe on the street as it is on a track if not more safe because some scenarios allow for greater areas of error unlike the track where you have a far greater chance of going into a jersey wall.



Not saying this was the scenario but what's the harm in putting 2 performance cars to the test if your on an open stretch of road with no one else around? Only people getting hurt would be those involved. Just like at a track.



And for the argument of people saying these are not straight line cars....I understand their performance is greater in the turns but a 13 second quarter mile is very respectable so running the car in a straight line, the car holds its own against cars that were built for the straight line.



Street racing can be very stupid in most scenarios. With that said there are plenty of scenarios that any critical thinking person could look at and say "no one on the road, flat road, wide road, weather conditions good, only harm done is those involved."



Flame suit has been put on. Godspeed.

It's not even about safety for me.

I just don't see the purpose of a measuring contest. Our cars are quick, and a lot of other cars are quicker.

It just makes you look bad when you go around doing highway pulls.

Now I'll be honest with you, I probably pass on the highway at times at speeds similar to you racing.

I keep up with and or leave cars in the twisties however it's always just me driving at my pace.

It's about me and making sure I have full control of the car at all times, the buck stops there though because then you are trying to impress or compete with someone else and that does belong on a track. For safety reasons but also on the simple basis of principle.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

I love all the butt hurt street racing posts. Everyone has this broken idea of what a street race is. I think most older gentleman in this group have seen one too many fast and furious movies and took it to heart. There are plenty of scenarios where a street race is just as safe on the street as it is on a track if not more safe because some scenarios allow for greater areas of error unlike the track where you have a far greater chance of going into a jersey wall.

Not saying this was the scenario but what's the harm in putting 2 performance cars to the test if your on an open stretch of road with no one else around? Only people getting hurt would be those involved. Just like at a track.

And for the argument of people saying these are not straight line cars....I understand their performance is greater in the turns but a 13 second quarter mile is very respectable so running the car in a straight line, the car holds its own against cars that were built for the straight line.

Street racing can be very stupid in most scenarios. With that said there are plenty of scenarios that any critical thinking person could look at and say "no one on the road, flat road, wide road, weather conditions good, only harm done is those involved."

Flame suit has been put on. Godspeed.

thank you