Why are BMW's so slow in reality ( specifically 335i )

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

No I didn't miss it. That's why I said 9 in 10 times. Street racing is nearly always impromptu. Driver A sees Driver B behind the wheel of a certain type of car and a dim little light bulb goes off in his dim little head: time to race! I know that there is "organized" street racing but this is even more retarded because you are (A) needlessly risking the lives of bystanders on public roads since you can't limit access of others during "the race", when (B) there are always venues for drag racing with emergency services standing by and (C) you won't go to jail and lose driving privileges, pay insane insurance, etc., etc. There is literally no reason to drag race on public roads other than reckless disregard for the safety of other drivers. Same applies to these guys on motorcycles doing 160 with clueless SUV driving-while texting motorists in the same lane.

And yes a track is where greater risks are taken, my point exactly.

You continue to bring up how it's endangering innocent bystanders. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate that a proper street race doesn't involve innocent bystanders. Again this is the broken concept of street racing. All anyone thinks of is people weaving in and out of traffic with people walking on sidewalks and baby's in strollers. Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light. I don't think you need to argue that street racing with others in the area is stupid. No one here is disagreeing with that, yet you continue to use that as your argument.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

You continue to bring up how it's endangering innocent bystanders. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate that a proper street race doesn't involve innocent bystanders. Again this is the broken concept of street racing. All anyone thinks of is people weaving in and out of traffic with people walking on sidewalks and baby's in strollers. Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light. I don't think you need to argue that street racing with others in the area is stupid. No one here is disagreeing with that, yet you continue to use that as your argument.

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Giller

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

If you can't drive a car straight on a public road then maybe you shouldn't have a license. That's what I got from your comment.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

If you can't drive a car straight on a public road then maybe you shouldn't have a license. That's what I got from your comment.

If that's what you got, then that's what you got.

But what I said was/is pretty straight forward. Don't drive like a dink on a public road. Pretty simple stuff. Tons of tracks out there for you to play on. That's what they are for.

If you want to argue it's okay to drag race on a public road, go right ahead. You obviously don't care what we all think anyways....

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Giller

If that's what you got, then that's what you got.

But what I said was/is pretty straight forward. Don't drive like a dink on a public road. Pretty simple stuff. Tons of tracks out there for you to play on. That's what they are for.

If you want to argue it's okay to drag race on a public road, go right ahead. You obviously don't care what we all think anyways....

And you care about what I have to say?

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Giller

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

if someone "wanders" on to a 70mph highway they are dead. A car hitting a person at 70 will kill them just as well as hitting them at 60mph

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

Clear roads, flat roads, good weather conditions, good room for error. That's a green light.

How can you have clear roads when you don't have the authority to shut them down to any incoming traffic in the first place?

Mostly clear, and usually clear is not clear.

Either the road has been cut off from additional traffic or it hasn't. Basically you're simply trying to re-invent a safe condition that already exists at a dedicated drag strip... for no good reason.
That's like going swimming at the sewage treatment plant because it's more exciting than the swimming in the pool at your gym.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

How can you have clear roads when you don't have the authority to shut them down to any incoming traffic in the first place?

Mostly clear, and usually clear is not clear.

Either the road has been cut off from additional traffic or it hasn't. Basically you're simply trying to re-invent a safe condition that already exists at a dedicated drag strip... for no good reason.
That's like going swimming at the sewage treatment plant because it's more exciting than the swimming in the pool at your gym.

Have you ever been in the country? Ever see a road stretch straight and flat as far as the eye can see? We are talking 1/4 mile races here that wrap up in 12-14 seconds. If you can't see a clear enough path for a 12-14 second window for a straightaway that is a serious lack of judgement.

Again I feel a picture is being painted here of a 3 mile long race that lasts for minutes on end. This stuff is over in a blink of an eye. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of bad things can happen in a blink of an eye. It's in a mans blood to go faster than the guy next to him. There is a time and a place for everything. Some argue that time and place is a track. But if you truly believe you can't safely do a quick pull with someone next to you on a wide open road that you can CLEARLY see no intersections, no people and not a chance of a random person walking out in the middle of the road, then my god, you live one ridiculously over cautious life. I'm surprised you take the risk of getting into a car every day and better yet bought a performance car.

For the record I respect you as a person on the forum particle wave. You bring a lot of positive posts to this community and I'm not here to be causing a heated argument (I don't think it's heated) I think we will just go back and fourth for ever on this so I'll just agree to disagree.

I fully understand the bad reputation street racing has in the publics eye. Plenty of idiots out there. With that said plenty of people run a respectable race endangering no one but them selves. Go to Texas. If you are telling me there are not roads in Texas that are acceptable for a street race than we will never find common ground. Those roads exist somewhere in just about every state.

[particlewave]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

For the record I respect you as a person on the forum particle wave. You bring a lot of positive posts to this community and I'm not here to be causing a heated argument (I don't think it's heated) I think we will just go back and fourth for ever on this so I'll just agree to disagree.

Whoa...wait..what? I didn't say anything. I'm staying out of this one.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by particlewave

Whoa...wait..what? I didn't say anything. I'm staying out of this one.

Haha dang it! I meant perfect lap. At least both your usernames start with P. I have that going for me.

[BoxsterLS376]

Originally Posted by PorscheBound

Again I feel a picture is being painted here of a 3 mile long race that lasts for minutes on end. This stuff is over in a blink of an eye. Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of bad things can happen in a blink of an eye. It's in a mans blood to go faster than the guy next to him. There is a time and a place for everything. Some argue that time and place is a track. But if you truly believe you can't safely do a quick pull with someone next to you on a wide open road that you can CLEARLY see no intersections, no people and not a chance of a random person walking out in the middle of the road, then my god, you live one ridiculously over cautious life. I'm surprised you take the risk of getting into a car every day and better yet bought a performance car.

Agreed.

Posts like this are a big reason I have not posted any of my videos driving my car on here. Would people enjoy them, sure but I'm sure just as many would jump on the "OMG YOUR CRAZY AND IRRESPONSIBLE!!!" bandwagon. I drive fast, and yes occasionally I race people on the street, but I am always careful. Could anything happen, sure, but that is part of life.

If I wasn't crazy and somewhat irresponsible I certainly wouldn't have a 500HP Boxster, but life would probably be pretty boring too.

I think you are more likely to be hit by an idiot checking Facebook on their iPhone while their self braking car drives them down the road then you are to be hit by a street racer these days, but there are a lot of idiots out there.

Oh and regarding the intention of this original post, hate to break it to ya bro, but the 335 wasn't trying because there is no way you were pulling him on the highway in a 2.7 boxster