Why are BMW's so slow in reality ( specifically 335i )

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Giller

The whole point of a public road is that it is open to the public, at any time, anywhere. You always run the risk of innocent bystanders when on a public road. At any point, someone could wonder into your path.

There are a ton of tracks around. If you want to drive fast, use them. If you are worried about the safety cause of the walls and such - then maybe you aren't good enough to be doing this at all.

if someone "wanders" on to a 70mph highway they are dead. A car hitting a person at 70 will kill them just as well as hitting them at 60mph

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Nmbrsix

I have significant seat time in an E90 335i AT as well as an E92 M3.

There's no way a well driven E90 or F30 335i is going to lose any straight line speed contest to a 2.7L Boxster. I would be ill-advised to take one on with my 3.2.

Also, street racing is stupid.

Perhaps he kept missing gears, always a possibility, although that's less likely at highway speeds but who knows? Maybe he slipped from 3rd to 5th each time

But in my opinion, if a car is so difficult to drive that an owner of the vehicle would keep missing gears then that's a partial reflection on the vehicle itself. Why own a vehicle that's difficult to drive that only a professional can get to accelerate well?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

Well.... AMG's are "family sedans" too, but they do 12 second quarters and beat new Z06s when they came out. "Family sedan" does not equal slow



I'm just shocked at the numbers, like I said a 13.0 second car should have been several car lengths ahead of me, not in my rearview mirror.

That's the problem, you're a numbers boy. It's not a measuring contest.

Who cares if a family sedan has 800 ft lbs

I mean I want one and think they're amazing cars, but you're driving a Porsche, beating a boosted sedan shouldn't be a needed validation for you.


Not to mention that if you are going to take a competitive nature to cars which I understand, I just don't see the place for it on the road, how can you know if he was giving it 10/10s, he wasn't. The results are simply invalid and environment uncontrolled not to mention the lack of skill it takes to race between lights.

If you do want to prove your driving skills go to the track, but what you're doing is more of a look at me I beat a 350z driven by some pimple boy, why can't you be above that?

How come simply driving a mid engine European sports car, and enjoying it on a personal level for the most part within the law isn't enough and instead you have to beat a lazy bubble of a car from the worst excuse of a car maker in the eastern hemisphere to feel good about yourself.

[Crono0001]

Hey 986_Inquiry. Let's go to a local track near me during a NASA event. I'll even pay for your entry fee. You take your 2.7L Boxster. I'll take my 1.8L Miata, which has 100 horsepower at the flywheel. Remember to bring your GoPro, so that you can link video in your post "Miata is slow on paper but somehow super fast in real life"

[986_inquiry]

You guys complain about racing on streets? Watch any of the High Tech Corvette videos. Shows busy public roads and vehicles going WAAAY too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL42D68F29945688FF

this camaro can't even go straight as it flies by other cars on a small road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLjm6kqpeE#t=01m15s

not saying street racing is acceptable, just saying there's a lot of really bad examples out there and people are posting videos of them like it's wonderful

[Topless]

I am quietly ashamed when I read another "BMW Kill" post at 986 Forum. Street racing is for pimply-faced adolescent males whose nads haven't dropped yet. Sure, I did it when I was a pimply-faced adolescent. I lost a few good friends to it as well and that cured the itch big time.

Something comes over us in a street race and we leave our critical thinking skills behind in the red mist. There is no open public road that is completely safe for racing unless it is blocked off at either end with communication between the participants and the road control. Then it is a controlled surface and no longer a public road. When going 120mph we cannot know every possible circumstance that may arise on an open public road. It's a bad idea whether you are currently willing to acknowledge it or not.

/rant off

[Timco]

I felt pretty comfortable getting to higher speeds in the Mojave desert where it was perfectly straight and you can see both sides for miles. May need to cruise through there again sometime.

There's lots of isolated great roads in the west desert that go waaaay out to mil installations but there's Antelope. Just that says no no.

Oh, man!! That cow's gotta see us!!

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Timco

I felt pretty comfortable getting to higher speeds in the Mojave desert where it was perfectly straight and you can see both sides for miles. May need to cruise through there again sometime.

There's lots of isolated great roads in the west desert that go waaaay out to mil installations but there's Antelope. Just that says no no.

Oh, man!! That cow's gotta see us!!

midwest has a lot of areas like that. No Tail of the Dragon here.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Topless

I am quietly ashamed when I read another "BMW Kill" post at 986 Forum. Street racing is for pimply-faced adolescent males whose nads haven't dropped yet. Sure, I did it when I was a pimply-faced adolescent. I lost a few good friends to it as well and that cured the itch big time.

Something comes over us in a street race and we leave our critical thinking skills behind in the red mist. There is no open public road that is completely safe for racing unless it is blocked off at either end with communication between the participants and the road control. Then it is a controlled surface and no longer a public road. When going 120mph we cannot know every possible circumstance that may arise on an open public road. It's a bad idea whether you are currently willing to acknowledge it or not.

/rant off

there's.... different levels, of "street racing".

There's the fast and furious movie level, where they're racing between buildings on roads with 30mph speed limits in vehicles that were designed to carry groceries more than they were designed to take corners.

And then there is the empty 70mph speed limit highways in the midwest, where you can see for miles, in a vehicle that was built for the track and designed for speed.

[ianacole]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

You guys complain about racing on streets? Watch any of the High Tech Corvette videos. Shows busy public roads and vehicles going WAAAY too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL42D68F29945688FF

this camaro can't even go straight as it flies by other cars on a small road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLjm6kqpeE#t=01m15s

not saying street racing is acceptable, just saying there's a lot of really bad examples out there and people are posting videos of them like it's wonderful

Yes, there are a lot of useful idiots out there...

[Topless]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

there's.... different levels, of "street racing".

And then there is the empty 70mph speed limit highways in the midwest, where you can see for miles, in a vehicle that was built for the track and designed for speed.

Yep. What could possibly go wrong...
VWVortex.com - Boxster vs. Pheasant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszM4iIhdo8

[tommy583]

I could watch those Russian dash cam videos for days. I would never ever ever drive there.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

You guys complain about racing on streets? Watch any of the High Tech Corvette videos. Shows busy public roads and vehicles going WAAAY too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLjm6kqpeE#t=01m15s

not saying street racing is acceptable, just saying there's a lot of really bad examples out there and people are posting videos of them like it's wonderful

Racing in general adds to it.

The street outlaws show on tv needs to be shut down asap.

That girls unattractive as well, idk why putting a 5 in a low cut top and seat belt with roll bars behind her makes her into a 10 for some.

http://youtu.be/icinI4VxbtQ

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Topless

Yep. What could possibly go wrong...
VWVortex.com - Boxster vs. Pheasant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PszM4iIhdo8

that could happen at 60 or 160, birds fly everywhere

[ianacole]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

that could happen at 60 or 160, birds fly everywhere

Yes, but potential outcomes vary significantly at 60 vs. 160...

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by ianacole

Yes, but potential outcomes vary significantly at 60 vs. 160...

look, if you bought your porsche to drive 10 under, that's great, more power to you.

I didn't buy it for that.

[FirstPorsche987]

I've been biting my tongue, but after that last comment I can no longer hold back.

986, you're an idiot.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by FirstPorsche987

I've been biting my tongue, but after that last comment I can no longer hold back.

986, you're an idiot.

+1! Right on brother!

[ianacole]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

look, if you bought your porsche to drive 10 under, that's great, more power to you.

I didn't buy it for that.

I didn't buy my Porsche to drive it 10 under, nor did I buy it to needlessly put other peoples' lives in danger. I choose the mature route and take it to the track.

[AaronPDX]

Originally Posted by FirstPorsche987

I've been biting my tongue, but after that last comment I can no longer hold back.

986, you're an idiot.

I'm with you. This guy's a bozo!