How often do you hit the rev limiter?

[Perfectlap]

Never. I'm pretty strict about allowing the oil to come up to temp. Which means high revs on short trips is out.

When I used to autocross on a regular basis this meant getting up early to allow for enough warming up time. On the street, there's usually too much traffic to do much.
And revving the crap out of the engine at 30 mph isn't too appealing to me.
I think the Miata is the right car for that. Nor is speeding in straight lines very interesting.
When you think about it a Porsche is overkill for most of the driving that can be allowed legally or traffic wise.

[epapp]

Bounced the limiter 3 times this morning after a few heat cycles on my daily commute

[jsceash]

I hit it occasionally most often in first or second. I rarely hit the limiter on track I think because I watch the gauges closer when on the track than when I'm around town.

[jsceash]

Does any one know the count are for every time the car has hit the limiter or every spark of a cylinder at the rev-limiter?

[JayG]

Originally Posted by jsceash

Does any one know the count are for every time the car has hit the limiter or every spark of a cylinder at the rev-limiter?

the count you get is ignitions

[epapp]

Its definitely not the first one.

I cant remember if it is crank revolutions at the revlimiter, or cylinder ignitions at rev limiter

[Sputter]

three times in first gear over seven years.

[stephen wilson]

I occasionally do, only is first gear, while playing & getting it sideways.

[redeye280z]

I rarely do but once in awhile you get that perfect stretch of road and there is a song that comes on the radio and you just can't help yourself your foot just starts pushing that gas pedal and there is nothing you can do about it. When this happens you realize what an amazing car the Boxster is.

[SoCalBlackbox]

What happens when you floor it in neutral? Maybe the OP can help.

Rick

[everwax]

1st never; 2nd sometimes; 3rd oh yeah! And then I ease off because here in the UK we have speed limits But I do love it in third and run up to 6.5 before shifting. Fun!

[dagdisco03]

I guess I don't get the whole bouncing off the rev limiter is cool thing. I'm thinking maybe this started from video games that have you hold the throttle down to the rev limiter all the time so the younger crowed started thinking it sounds cool. I think the drifting people do it a lot to. Most people do not think it sounds cool. It sounds like someone who doesn't know how to shift or missed a gear. Have fun with that I hope you have deep pockets for the rebuild. Engines are not designed for any longevity under those conditions. Yes I do bring my car up to 5k to 6k on most drives and love sound and feel but as soon as the power starts to fade you shift. You don't keep holding the pedal down until there is nothing left. There is no gained whatsoever in doing that.

[epapp]

Well, my opinion stands...the difference between 6k and 6.5k is moot for the amount of time we are each staying at these high RPMs.

I 'bounce' the rev limiter once or twice, then switch gears. No, I do not hit the rev limiter without load on the engine.

I like to make sure my 60 mile commute a day isn't only filled with 3k rpm driving for extended periods of time.

I suppose you will also have something to say if I tell you I don't garage my boxster and that I drive it in the rain? I enjoy my car the most while driving it the way I do, I thinks its as simple as that.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by epapp

Well, my opinion stands...the difference between 6k and 6.5k is moot for the amount of time we are each staying at these high RPMs.

I 'bounce' the rev limiter once or twice, then switch gears. No, I do not hit the rev limiter without load on the engine.

I like to make sure my 60 mile commute a day isn't only filled with 3k rpm driving for extended periods of time.

I suppose you will also have something to say if I tell you I don't garage my boxster and that I drive it in the rain? I enjoy my car the most while driving it the way I do, I thinks its as simple as that.

Its a simple point being made. If you know anything about cars, you don't hit the rev limiter on purpose. Its childish really.

[The Radium King]

dr. science says ...

torque at wheels = flywheel torque * gear ratio
using the torque curve for a 987 that I found online, torque peaks at 4500 rpm (360 NM) stays flat to 5500 rpm, then drops to redline at 7000 rpm (280 NM).

here is a chart that shows gear, ratio (taken from california motorsports website for a 986S 6-speed transmission) wheel torque at max rpm, and wheel torque at max torque:

1 3.818 1069 1274
2 2.200 616 792
3 1.516 424 546
4 1.216 340 438
5 1.024 287 369
6 0.841 235 303

so, if you compare wheel torque at max rpm to wheel torque at max torque in the next higher gear (ie, an upshift at 7000 vs an upshift at 5500 with rpm drop to 4500 to 'stay in the power band') you'll see that this produces less power in 1st and 2nd gear than staying to redline. the upshifts from 3rd, 4th and 5th are a wash and most likely eclipsed by the loss in power to the ground during this shifting process.

dr. science says hit the rev limiter.

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by The Radium King

dr. science says ...

torque at wheels = flywheel torque * gear ratio
using the torque curve for a 987 that I found online, torque peaks at 4500 rpm (360 NM) stays flat to 5500 rpm, then drops to redline at 7000 rpm (280 NM).

here is a chart that shows gear, ratio (taken from california motorsports website for a 986S 6-speed transmission) wheel torque at max rpm, and wheel torque at max torque:

1 3.818 1069 1274
2 2.200 616 792
3 1.516 424 546
4 1.216 340 438
5 1.024 287 369
6 0.841 235 303

so, if you compare wheel torque at max rpm to wheel torque at max torque in the next higher gear (ie, an upshift at 7000 vs an upshift at 5500 with rpm drop to 4500 to 'stay in the power band') you'll see that this produces less power in 1st and 2nd gear than staying to redline. the upshifts from 3rd, 4th and 5th are a wash and most likely eclipsed by the loss in power to the ground during this shifting process.

dr. science says hit the rev limiter.

Dr science doesnt say HIT the rev limiter. That would cause a loss in power. Dr science says take it to red line. I think there is a big misunderstanding in this thread about what red line is and what a rev limiter is. Will run side by side. Ill hit red line, you hit your rev limiter, will see who walks away.

[epapp]

Inb4 long discussion on proper gear shifting technique..

That makes sense. I think the short way to put it: in this car, with those gear ratios, staying up to redline in first and second will keep you in the torque band LONGER overall than if you were to shift at the maximum torque of first and second gear.

Obviously highly dependent on shift speed, clutching, driving conditions, but good to know what I am enjoying doing for recreation (note: not for racing, 0-60 time, or first prize in shifting) is also mathematically (conditions permitting) producing the most overall torque.

[woodsman]

cool cool! Engineer to win...So that's why the big teams have engineers.

[epapp]

YES, rev limiter is slower than a perfect shift.

I'm not racing anyone

[PorscheBound]

Originally Posted by epapp

YES, rev limiter is slower than a perfect shift.

I'm not racing anyone

Never stated anything in regards to racing to you...

Calling the rev limiter and redline the same is ignorance.

The rev limiter is in place for a reason. To think it has no effect on the car is again ignorance. It's not a big deal if it happens every now and again. But deliberately going out and bouncing the rev limiter time and time again is not healthy.