05-06-2014, 08:11 PM
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How did you get your lawyer to sign off on disabling the factory safety interlocks?
We (Robotop) could never get our lawyers over the hurdle of the risk of being sued by someone and having to try defend "purposefully and willfully disabling a factory safety interlock" in court.
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05-06-2014, 08:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thstone
How did you get your lawyer to sign off on disabling the factory safety interlocks?
We (Robotop) could never get our lawyers over the hurdle of the risk of being sued by someone and having to try defend "purposefully and willfully disabling a factory safety interlock" in court.
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I'm not sure if this is the proper place to have this conversation... but sure.
I do not have a lawyer here to help me out, however, at the time of purchase, I plan to make clear to the purchaser exactly how the relay was implemented, that this part is a modification of the original and holds no warranty against damage nor does it carry any 'safety interlocks' that the original relay has. By installing this, the users themselves are "purposefully and willfully disabling factory safety interlocks" and should exercise caution and responsibility during use. If you want to put an exact word to it, I'd say it is essentially a waiver spelling out that I cannot be held responsible for damage or injury as a result of using the relay.
Like I mentioned, I just think this is a cool and convenient addition to the car, if people are okay with the accepting the risks associated with installing it, then that's great. If they do not want to, so be it.
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05-06-2014, 08:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shehadehd
I'm not sure if this is the proper place to have this conversation... but sure.
I do not have a lawyer here to help me out, however, at the time of purchase, I plan to make clear to the purchaser exactly how the relay was implemented, that this part is a modification of the original and holds no warranty against damage nor does it carry any 'safety interlocks' that the original relay has. By installing this, the users themselves are "purposefully and willfully disabling factory safety interlocks" and should exercise caution and responsibility during use. If you want to put an exact word to it, I'd say it is essentially a waiver spelling out that I cannot be held responsible for damage or injury as a result of using the relay.
Like I mentioned, I just think this is a cool and convenient addition to the car, if people are okay with the accepting the risks associated with installing it, then that's great. If they do not want to, so be it.
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works for me
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05-06-2014, 10:28 PM
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Who needs lawyers when you have QA stickers on each relay??
I think we are in good hands. QA basically means you can't be sued, right?
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05-06-2014, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by epapp
Who needs lawyers when you have QA stickers on each relay??
I think we are in good hands. QA basically means you can't be sued, right?
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If that's the case then score! I was just using the QA stickers to protect against DOA. The disclaimer/ waiver was to protect me from getting sued
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05-06-2014, 10:38 PM
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Actually, QA is a great idea. I think at least 50% who buy the relay will be curious of what's inside. Better patent the design before they all see :O!
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05-06-2014, 10:43 PM
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The all-new Comfort Top :)
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Originally Posted by epapp
Actually, QA is a great idea. I think at least 50% who buy the relay will be curious of what's inside. Better patent the design before they all see :O!
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The real problem is that the unicorn hair and fairy dust inside will blow away and it won't work anymore.
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05-07-2014, 07:40 AM
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On the slippery slope
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shehadehd
The real problem is that the unicorn hair and fairy dust inside will blow away and it won't work anymore.
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And the muffler bearings will fall out and need to be replaced with a special new set of ceramic dual row ones that get splash lubrication
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05-07-2014, 08:05 AM
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This is fantastic! I have to have one! If I source a few relays from local dismantlers does that come off the bottom line! HA!
Anyway I would love to place an order! Do you do paypal?
Also for future reference if you hold your iPhone in landscape your youtube videos will be full size!
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05-07-2014, 10:04 AM
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His fairy dust is strong and thus far untainted by the grinding IMS bearing in his car.
When are you coming out with that IMS fix????
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05-07-2014, 02:36 PM
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Very Cool
I'm going to talk to the signifigant other about this, think she'll like it more than me. She hates sitting still in the car,LOL, and would love to be able to open the top as she drives away.
If you go over 20, it stops automatically, when you drop under 20, does it start back up? or you have to push the button again?
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05-07-2014, 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coaster
I'm going to talk to the signifigant other about this, think she'll like it more than me. She hates sitting still in the car,LOL, and would love to be able to open the top as she drives away.
If you go over 20, it stops automatically, when you drop under 20, does it start back up? or you have to push the button again?
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Above ~20mph all current and future operations stop. When the speed drops below the trip point, you have to re-enable movement yourself by clicking either of the buttons. That way it doesn't start moving again by surprise.
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05-07-2014, 03:04 PM
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In terms of pseudo code:
if speed > 20
oopsnomoreram
else
topdown()
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05-07-2014, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by epapp
In terms of pseudo code:
if speed > 20
oopsnomoreram
else
topdown()
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If you'd code efficiently, you'd possibly have enough ram
E.g.
if (speed > 0 and < 20) then
operate;
end
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05-07-2014, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine8Six
If you'd code efficiently, you'd possibly have enough ram
E.g.
if (speed > 0 and < 20) then
operate;
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Unsigned int guys. No need for the less than 0... And it gives you an extra MSB to work... Oh yeahhh
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05-07-2014, 04:12 PM
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Any update on the 97-99 models? My current relay is broken and I need a replacement :-)
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05-07-2014, 04:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MK_Hatter
Any update on the 97-99 models? My current relay is broken and I need a replacement :-)
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I've finished the 97-99 relays last week and have been testing the hell out them on a lab bench since then. I wanted to get together with epapp this weekend and do an end to end test with his boxster before offering them in the relays.
The original plan still holds that a single relay can be used on a 97-99 or 00-04 and hold all the same functionality. That way of you upgrade your car or move to an older vintage, you can carry the relay with you.
In short, cross you fingers for this weekend or Monday being the shift from development to sales for all models.
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05-07-2014, 06:06 PM
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You calling my car old?
Sunday it is?
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05-22-2014, 02:20 PM
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Did you finish the testing on this?
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05-23-2014, 07:52 AM
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I can say that it seems to work flawlessly on my 04. This simple replacement is genius. Nice work Shaw.
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