RIP Paul Walker - killed in a CGT's passenger seat

[Topless]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I really don't believe that car was going 100 mph at the point of impact. This wasn't a normal car, it was an as close to racing car as you may ever see short of something like the P1. Such a car hitting anything at 100 mph would have disintegrated. People forget that most of that damage was done by the fire after the crash. And indeed the fire left it a rubble but the wheels were still attached to that car and the tub looked to be relatively whole, the occupants still strapped in. I said it from the start, the impact did not kill both of those guys, this was a survivable crash for at least one of the guys. The one who didn't take the brunt of the light pole impact the door side.

I'm sure we will find out soon enough. A back-of-a-napkin calculation of the forces required to break off the starter motor and hurl it 120' into a second story office window suggests 100mph+ to me... but I could be wrong.

[tanque55]

I certainly don't want anyone telling what I can or can not buy. Porsches fault? Give me a break. You can do as much or more damage with guns, speed boats, wave runners, motorcycles. I'm almost certain that if it was in our price range and available more than half of the guys on this fórum would have the same car in their garage .

[Timco]

Originally Posted by tanque55

I certainly don't want anyone telling what I can or can not buy. Porsches fault? Give me a break. You can do as much or more damage with guns, speed boats, wave runners, motorcycles. I'm almost certain that if it was in our price range and available more than half of the guys on this fórum would have the same car in their garage .

Yes. Yes I would.

[papasmurf]

I would pay someone to drive it for me I think so I could drive behind it just to hear the exhaust note. (the engine sounds good from the inside too but the exhaust....) Better yet, I might just buy two of them so I could chase the other one and listen to the exhaust note or buy a mountain with a tunnel cut through it.

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by Topless

I'm sure we will find out soon enough. A back-of-a-napkin calculation of the forces required to break off the starter motor and hurl it 120' into a second story office window suggests 100mph+ to me... but I could be wrong.

I'm in total agreement, 45 mph is completely laughable.

Here's a video of a pair of Carrera GT's screaming around the streets somewhere in Cali, watch how easily they break traction. Imagine how quickly they could bite you in the arse, they would without a doubt be a handful to drive. The sound they put out is indeed intoxicating but watching these two clowns drive them through city traffic like that is pretty poor form.

[Porsche9]

They are sure driving like a bunch of asshats. Easy to see how quick one can lose it in this car. In this video if they had lost control it would be total their responsibility. I could see that being the case in Paul's situation. If your cruising at 45 and hit it for a couple seconds your going to be going pretty fast.

The traffic in this video reminds of why I no longer live in LA. Lasts time I was out there I was driving my E55 and I felt like a gorilla caged up. All the power but no way to use it.

Funny, the exhaust from the CGT made my dogs go ballistic.

[linklaw]

Wow. When the video started both my dog and cat went crazy.

[papasmurf]

as the black CGT was owned by a somewhat notorious fellow (VR Alexander) that frequently drove and filmed his CGT around the LA area. He was killed while driving up pikes peak I believe a few years ago (911 turbo I think). Driving the cars sanely like a normal car especially in traffic and around the city should not present any more issues than any other car. A viper, t-bucket roadster, cobra kit car, etc. can get you in just as much trouble as any CGT when driven irresponsibly. It is as much the mentality of the driver that is at fault in these situations as anything.

On an irrelevant side note...VR Alexanders CGT had straight pipes and/or an aftermarket exhaust and while louder, does not sound nearly as good as the stock exhaust system.

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by papasmurf

as the black CGT was owned by a somewhat notorious fellow (VR Alexander) that frequently drove and filmed his CGT around the LA area. He was killed while driving up pikes peak I believe a few years ago (911 turbo I think). Driving the cars sanely like a normal car especially in traffic and around the city should not present any more issues than any other car. A viper, t-bucket roadster, cobra kit car, etc. can get you in just as much trouble as any CGT when driven irresponsibly. It is as much the mentality of the driver that is at fault in these situations as anything.

On an irrelevant side note...VR Alexanders CGT had straight pipes and/or an aftermarket exhaust and while louder, does not sound nearly as good as the stock exhaust system.

Yeah, I was aware of who drove the black CGT and how he met his maker. I had seen him a few times on TV usually somehow tied in with Tanner Foust (before ATG) along with Porsches. The guy knew his stuff on P-Cars but to me from the episodes I saw on TV, screamed arrogant a-hole.

Couldn't agree more on the V-10 exhaust, the black CGT's (VR's) note was obnoxious. The downshift and subsequent howl at 7:27 does indeed sound about as wicked as it gets.

Regarding the speed of the CGT, we'll all find that out eventually.

[papasmurf]

I am sure he knew a fair amount about porsches. I do remember a video where he was dissing the boxster treating it like it was not a real porsche due to the lower power output and such...I guess his knowledge of porsche did not include the 356, 914, etc. and only cars like the CGT and 959.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Topless

I'm sure we will find out soon enough. A back-of-a-napkin calculation of the forces required to break off the starter motor and hurl it 120' into a second story office window suggests 100mph+ to me... but I could be wrong.

If we were in fact talking about a standard road car you could say that. When you are talking about a full on carbon fiber racing car, all bets are off. The only thing that is designed not to tear apart and not go flying in pieces into the next county is the tub. In that respect the Porsche engineering paid off -- tub in tact, seats still bolted down. Even the wheels were still attached. look at Allan McNish's Le Mans crash into that one corner, he was doing 100 plus, hit the wall and one of the wheels came down into the crowd mere inches from photogs And fans.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by tanque55

I certainly don't want anyone telling what I can or can not buy. Porsches fault? Give me a break. You can do as much or more damage with guns, speed boats, wave runners, motorcycles. I'm almost certain that if it was in our price range and available more than half of the guys on this fórum would have the same car in their garage .

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

If we were in fact talking about a standard road car you could say that. When you are talking about a full on carbon fiber racing car, all bets are off. The only thing that is designed not to tear apart and not go flying in pieces into the next county is the tub. In that respect the Porsche engineering paid off -- tub in tact, seats still bolted down. Even the wheels were still attached. look at Allan McNish's Le Mans crash into that one corner, he was doing 100 plus, hit the wall and one of the wheels came down into the crowd mere inches from photogs And fans.

From what I understand, giant explosions from gas tanks have been known to toss very large objects for great distances.

[stephen wilson]

Originally Posted by Timco

From what I understand, giant explosions from gas tanks have been known to toss very large objects for great distances.

There's no evidence of an explosion, just fire. In explosion like that would leave a wide debris field, but the debris was primarily between the impact points. One video showed 60 Seconds after impact, heavy smoke started, no explosion.