Would you have gotten PDK if they offered it on the 986?

[pothole]

Originally Posted by shadrach74

PDK has all of the components (with some extras) of a traditional manual transmission except for the interface, which is automated...

And thus it's an automatic.

The "manual" refers to the mode of operation or the "interface" as you put it. Not the design of the components.

Do not think I missed anything.

[shadrach74]

Originally Posted by pothole

And thus it's an automatic.

The "manual" refers to the mode of operation or the "interface" as you put it. Not the design of the components.

Do not think I missed anything.

So there are no automatics with manual interfaces?

My forehead hurts... You win! Well done.

[pothole]

Originally Posted by shadrach74

So there are no automatics with manual interfaces?

My forehead hurts... You win! Well done.

To be honest, not sure what happens with an old school torque converter when you use the selector change gear.

But re PDK, the answer is simple. There are no manual changes of gears, no manual interface. At most you send a signal to a computer and the computer decides what to do and when.

It's reasonable enough to call it "manual" mode when your pressing buttons to request gear changes from the computer, just for the sake of semantic simplicity. But there's nothing actually manual about the process of changing gears.

What I don't get is why people are so desperate to claim that there's a manual element to PDK.

[shadrach74]

Originally Posted by pothole

To be honest, not sure what happens with an old school torque converter when you use the selector change gear.

But re PDK, the answer is simple. There are no manual changes of gears, no manual interface. At most you send a signal to a computer and the computer decides what to do and when.

It's reasonable enough to call it "manual" mode when your pressing buttons to request gear changes from the computer, just for the sake of semantic simplicity. But there's nothing actually manual about the process of changing gears.

What I don't get is why people are so desperate to claim that there's a manual element to PDK.

The reason is because it has absolutely revolutionized what the average human can do in an automobile and has eliminated all of the draw backs of the traditional automatic. Your fathers slush box it ain't. FYI: there are many manual gear boxes that put a an automated interface between the driver and tranny to select gears, just as there are many automatics that do not...

[pothole]

Originally Posted by shadrach74

The reason is because it has absolutely revolutionized what the average human can do in an automobile and has eliminated all of the draw backs of the traditional automatic. Your fathers slush box it ain't. FYI: there are many manual gear boxes that put a an automated interface between the driver and tranny to select gears, just as there are many automatics that do not...

I totally get that dual clutch is a revolutionary tech. What's that got to do with trying to call it "manual"?

In fact, it's because it's so revolutionary that it makes so little sense to call it manual. it's not remotely manual. It's completely computer controlled.

And no, there are zero manual gearboxes that put an automated interface inbetween the driver and tranny. Those boxes are automatic. They're just not torque converter.

The hint is in the word "manual". If servos and a computer are doing the gear changing, it's not manual.

What you're trying to talk about, at least in a modern context, is a synchromesh gearbox which can have both manual and automatic interfaces.

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