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Old 06-30-2012, 05:06 AM   #1
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Service cost for IMS Retrofit & Clutch?

Just got a quote of ~$1,750 service for clutch + IMSB refit; does this sound reasonable? It's based on a 14 hour estimate $125/hr.

That doesn't include parts, which their quotes are right on for...

Just wanted to get a second opinion - the shop has a good reputation, and has done many IMSB jobs - invited me to come look at one they currently have in progress.

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Pretty consistent for the couple of quotes I've received, though I don't have a clutch and the labor is still similar. I would make sure you're not in the first couple of installs the shop has done...
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14hrs? Is the tech learning as he goes? I don't think it takes 14hrs to do the job if everything goes as it should.
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That sounds high, at least for my area of the country. I got two quotes: one from a sort of specialized P-car shop (Kraftwerks Performance - Independent Porsche Specialists) who have done the 3 day training class at Flat 6 Innovations, the other from an indie that I've used once or twice and have been happy with. Both were in the neighborhood of $1700-1800, but that was TOTAL, not just labor.

A caveat: these were roughly a year ago---they may well have gone up some in the meantime.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:15 AM   #5
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14hrs? Is the tech learning as he goes? I don't think it takes 14hrs to do the job if everything goes as it should.
Frederick! I've seen a couple of boxsters around town - red, silver and yellow. Might you be one of those?

sorry to the OP for dragging this thread off topic.
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I have been quoted $4400 can. for everything included around this neck of the woods(2 quotes). The clutch kit at Pelican is $1300 and is not the LN ims bearing around $800? Pelican might be cheaper for the ims part?

That is why I have the IMS guardian because I am not doing till I have to. Clutch still seems acceptable so far. I have a 2001 Boxster base - 40k miles.
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Old 06-30-2012, 09:03 AM   #7
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I paid $1950 for JUST IMS (including parts) so that price seem about right
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:54 AM   #8
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I paid $1950 for JUST IMS (including parts) so that price seem about right
Sorry to the OP - don't mean to hijack, but where did you get this done? You can PM me if you want.

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I've been quoted $2,300 total, includes the RMS and I have a Tip. That means a coolant change as well. With all that being done I'd also install a new water pump, low temp thermostat, under drive pulley w/new serpentine belt.
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Just had all done in OZ but $2835.00 with parts ...
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Frederick! I've seen a couple of boxsters around town - red, silver and yellow. Might you be one of those?

sorry to the OP for dragging this thread off topic.
PM'd you...
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8 hours labor for the clutch
2 additional hours labor for the IMS
Labor rate was $105 at my independent mechanic

$600 for the Sach's clutch (Sach's is the OEM provider to Porsche)
$620 for the LN IMS bearing

While doing the above job the clutch slave cylinder was found to be weeping so that was a few more $$.
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8 hours labor for the clutch
2 additional hours labor for the IMS
Labor rate was $105 at my independent mechanic

$600 for the Sach's clutch (Sach's is the OEM provider to Porsche)
$620 for the LN IMS bearing

While doing the above job the clutch slave cylinder was found to be weeping so that was a few more $$.

This is in line with what I was told maybe a little less. My mechanic knows me well and has a sense of my aptitude and told me that if I elected to do it myself that it would likely take me around 14hrs as a DIY.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:27 AM   #14
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This is in line with what I was told maybe a little less. My mechanic knows me well and has a sense of my aptitude and told me that if I elected to do it myself that it would likely take me around 14hrs as a DIY.
I did mine myself in my garage, car was up on jack stands. The 14 hours is probably pretty close for someone taking their time doing it for the first time.
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I just had the ims ,rms and clutch and flywheel replaced. Total bill of $3,700. 2001 Boxster S. 107,000 miles.
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I just had the ims ,rms and clutch and flywheel replaced. Total bill of $3,700. 2001 Boxster S. 107,000 miles.
This is what the complete procedure should cost.. We charge 3,500 normally and 3,000 during our October and April IMSB Clinics.

We are seeing more and more shops compete for this business.. Its leading to the procedure being done too cheaply by the bottom feeder shops and then the corners get cut. We are having to deal with more and more mistakes being made during procedures because of this. Shops are not getting better at this procedurally, they are getting more and more complacent and too "comfortable" with the procedure, leading to mistakes.

When dealing with the lowest bidder you will get what you pay for.

Here is a good bit of detail about what the IMSBR process should include:
Intermediate Shaft Retro-fit Service
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Cool High IMSB Retrofit costs?

Hi All.
Am brand new to forum.
I recently took my 986-S model (2002) for its 30k service and my technician (retired Porsche Dealer mechanic from NY area) found some metal shavings (some, not a lot) along with one small bit of plastic and one small bit of metal in the oil (dropped lower sump pan).
I have/had read extensively on IMSB issues (here and elsewhere) and expected this at some point, but when I called the nearest dealer for a quotation, I was surprised to find they actually quoted a higher price for the LN Engineering retrofit than for a retrofit with authentic Porsche parts. Moreover, the warranty for LN is only 30-days (assuming it passes the pre-approval process), while Porsche offers 2-years and unlimited mileage. This just seemed odd to me, although a pleasant surprise. I see posts from Jack Raby, etc. everywhere, and numerous posts and links to Pelican Parts, Flat6innovations, etc., but almost nothing from anyone who has had a Porsche Authorized Dealer perform the work. Just curious if anyone has any thoughts/comments/information to share? Am I missing anything, or is this actually likely to be as good a deal as it sounds?
My local technician said everything else on my S-model looked beautiful (it's had regular oil changes every 3-4k miles since new, about once a year), and I wouldn't have known anything otherwise without his expertise (purrs like a kitten, runs like a beast), so I'm inclined to continue as planned, but just wanted to double-check my thinking, having seen nothing about Dealer servicing this item.
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Some of the most botched installs I have seen, and assisted with came from dealers. Remember, the dealer was the last group that started doing the IMSR processes.

Now, there is NO OEM Porsche IMS Bearing! This has NEVER existed, and the IMSB alone has NO PORSCHE PART NUMBER. The part number associated with the IMSB is for a complete new IMS assembly, fitted with a bearing. This requires complete engine disassembly to be fitted.


They do not carry out pre- qualifications, and very few techs have bothered training outside to get the real scope of what to do.

Why take your car to the place that maintained for over a decade that the IMSB wasn't something that could even be removed from the engine?

Care nothing about those warranties. Most of that is just marketing. The LN product is not heavily guaranteed; because we don't want people buying something only because of a piece of paper. Further, I know of 27 other modes of failure that will take your engine out, and many of those will impact the health of an IMSB.

We've carried out over 500 IMSR processes, certainly more than any facility in the country, and possibly the world. To date we've not had a single failure of any engine that was preventatively retrofitted. We were doing this first, before anyone, and I developed the processes. We apply those and a pre- qualification every single time. It looks like you are in NC, no reason not to send your car to the place where the IMSR was born, and the IMS Solution was invented. I have cars here from 27 states, it won't be alone :-)
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:13 PM   #19
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Re IMS replacement bearing number.DIY
Does anyone have an NSK, SKF etc part number for the IMS double ballrace NOT the kit.
My used one was NSK BD20-17 still in VG condition, seals intact filled with engine oil no trace of grease. Done 168Kkm
Dims 20x47x23.8 this Pt No is no longer available I am told.
Looking for a bearing that fits ? any suggestions

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Old 05-30-2016, 03:27 AM   #20
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My car is at my local dealer right now for the IMS bearing replacement. Doing IMS-B, RMS, clutch (I provided), and bank 1 valve guide replacement; total cost ~$3500.

Turns out the engine had (as i suspected) the dual row bearing. I don't know its condition, but will see it when I pick up the car.

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