06-23-2011, 02:39 PM
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Porscheectomy
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
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When selling my car, I would absolutely make the arguement that the car has had the upgrade that would cost the owner $2k to otherwise install, looking for an extra thousand for the car. Just like I'd do with a new clutch or new set of tires.
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06-24-2011, 06:07 AM
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Opposed to Subie Burble
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Central CT
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Completely off topic, I just noticed that JFP in PA as of his post above has 987 posts. :dance:
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1997 Arctic Silver Boxster, 5-spd
IMSR + RMS
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06-24-2011, 06:17 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: It's a kind of magic.....
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We can fix that.................
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06-24-2011, 08:08 AM
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Location: The City
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue2000s
When selling my car, I would absolutely make the arguement that the car has had the upgrade that would cost the owner $2k to otherwise install, looking for an extra thousand for the car. Just like I'd do with a new clutch or new set of tires.
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The difference being that anyone buying a car realizes that fact regarding tires, clutch, alternator or most basic parts. Whether or not you can successfully justify an IMS upgrade to them just like those is the issue.
Keep in mind its a small fraction of buyers and sellers that come on here and actually try to get an insight. And of the people here on this site not everyone is sold on the bearing in the first place.
realistically, it is a great benefit that comes at a cost. Just like most mods you may not get that money back at resale.
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06-24-2011, 09:02 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
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just get back the $3,000 by only changing your oil once every 6 six years.
Looking out for Porsches is over rated...
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GT3 Aero / Carrera 18" 5 spoke / Potenza RE-11
Fabspeed Headers & Noise Maker
BORN: March 2000 - FINLAND
IMS#1 REPLACED: April 2010 - NEW JERSEY -- LNE DUAL ROW
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06-24-2011, 09:05 AM
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Porscheectomy
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Seattle Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lobo1186
The difference being that anyone buying a car realizes that fact regarding tires, clutch, alternator or most basic parts. Whether or not you can successfully justify an IMS upgrade to them just like those is the issue.
Keep in mind its a small fraction of buyers and sellers that come on here and actually try to get an insight. And of the people here on this site not everyone is sold on the bearing in the first place.
realistically, it is a great benefit that comes at a cost. Just like most mods you may not get that money back at resale.
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If they're buying my car, they will understand the IMS when I'm done.
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06-24-2011, 09:09 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto
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You don't have to do the retrofit, just don't get unlucky like I did.
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06-24-2011, 09:52 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: West Chester, PA
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The IMS retrofit SHOULD BE a $1-1500k investment (the other costs should include a new clutch and flywheel, which is a worthwhile repair or replacement on a well used Porsche). It's not a $3k throw-away.
I don't personally believe in doing it on cars like mine (worth $11-14k, 12 years old, etc.)- I might if I needed to get my clutch & flywheel replaced. Some portion of the cars, lets say 3-10%, have this failure. The failure is catastrophic and, besides the water pump, about the only way the car is going to fail after it gets to 50k mles.
If I were shopping for a 97-2004 Boxster (S or not), I would attach a $750-1000 premium to a car that had had it's IMS bearing replaced. Maybe $1500 if the clutch and flywheel were done at the same time and it was relatively recent (i.e. within 3 years/20,000 miles).
That's my own opinion. I don't believe in getting it done for my own car, but a car that had had it done would be a nice thing to have.
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99 Boxster 5spd - 64k miles
06 Civic SI - 114k miles, D.D., unbelievably reliable and fun to beat on everyday.
08 Legacy GT 5spd - 74k miles.
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06-24-2011, 01:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
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I don't really think it matters what your Boxster is worth. Unless the wheels are literraly falling off then most likely you are planning to keep it long term. If keeping an older Boxster is your plan then you are going to end up spending a fair amount to keep it running as a Porsche was intended to be. This is true of all Porsches from rare to common. Point is there's no point in owning one of these cars if its all busted up from outstanding repairs. If you are going to make that committment then there's no logical reason to put off the IMS upgrade. Sure you can wait until the clutch needs replacing but I think this is a dumb move. At most you'll save a few hundred bucks getting a few extra years on that clutch while gambling that if it goes against you it will cost you thousands. Good luck selling a Boxster with no engine.
btw, my dual row IMS was in PERFECT condition when it was extracted.
Until they come up with CAT scans for car engines you can either stress out about possibly being one of the unlucky ones or you can get the upgrade.
No brainer.
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GT3 Aero / Carrera 18" 5 spoke / Potenza RE-11
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BORN: March 2000 - FINLAND
IMS#1 REPLACED: April 2010 - NEW JERSEY -- LNE DUAL ROW
Last edited by Perfectlap; 06-24-2011 at 01:46 PM.
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06-24-2011, 05:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: California
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I’m am looking for a 2000-04 Boxster in Southern California. Since I am in no hurry, I’m holding out for one with the LN IMS replacement. I’ve seen some in NorCal, but none down here yet. I’m willing to pay $1-2K more with the IMS upgrade, figuring that if they did the upgrade, they also understand the car, and took good care of it. I’ll give it a year before I look at buying a non-upgraded car and having it done after I get it. . Like I said, I’m in no hurry, and can wait for the right car.
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06-24-2011, 09:42 AM
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Engine Surgeon
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Cleveland GA USA
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What I see as a reality is a difference in the actual "sell-ability" of the cars. This is more because the buyers that have cash in hand are generally the type that do their homework, when that homework is done the person finds out about the IMS challenges.
I get a TON of emails from people looking to buy these cars that already have the IMSR, or asking questions about what should be done or looked at before purchase, beyond a typical PPI.
I also get a ton of people who buy a car, never take delivery of it and have it shipped to us for the work before they ever see it in person. These people would certainly buy a car that already has the retrofit procedure carried out, to save the hassles.. They'd also pay more for it, because they already had the budget anyway.
I am just getting ready to put my Wife's 996 Millennium Edition up for sale, it has the IMSR and other work done to it that we consider necessary. I will purposely ask 2,000.00 more for this car than what the others like it are selling for and advertise it with the IMSR. We'll see how long it takes the car to sale and see if it matters.
That car even has the IMS Guardian employed currently and I have not decided whether or not I will pull it out of the car yet since we have not released the product for sale yet.
The door jamb decal makes a difference along with serialized components. We had to do this because people were advertising cars as being retrofitted, when they actually were not.. I guess they were wasting their time since it doesn't make a difference in sell ability or net price.
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Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
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