2012 Boxster

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by yelojkt

Good point. I drive a car with a slightly modified 1.8T and it makes the base boxsters that I have driven feel feel slow. I have yet to drive an S model. But I would say it would be comparable in speed to my car. I love this motor (1.8T) but I do not want one in a boxster. I want a flat six. Lower center of gravity and the sound. A boxster without the growl of the flat six behind you just would not be a proper boxster.

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

I Have a 99 Boxster it can do 0-60 in 7.7 sec. that is SLOOOOOW. My Volvo 0-60 time is 6.5. My Lotus Elise can do it in 4.8 sec.

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by jbs986

I Have a 99 Boxster it can do 0-60 in 7.7 sec. that is SLOOOOOW. My Volvo 0-60 time is 6.5. My Lotus Elise can do it in 4.8 sec.

Porsche's are not boulevard stop light racers, people who rate cars based on 0-60 are limiting their interpretation of the vehicle. Face it your "volvo" is toast after sixty. I like the Elise but I hear it requires a Yogi master to assist in the entry exit of the vehicle, no thanks. Not to mention the Elise looks like a praying mantis with the "toss another set of vents in" styling cues. The new Lotus Evora looks a lot cooler but the Cayman crushed it in a side by side and costs more than 10k less.

PS My pal's worked, old school, GTO was a rocketship off the line, I don't see it setting any Nuremberg ring times of note. As Alfa used to advertise, "It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast".

[JTP]

Originally Posted by jacabean

.... with a porsche built flat 4 .

I just hope it doesn't sound like a Subaru flat 4.

[laphan]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

The boxster feeling slow is sometimes due to how well Porsche cars go fast. Conversely, my old Fiat sounds and feels like it's quick but it's not, at least relative to anything new.

Completely agree... My winter beater is mercury grand marquis. It has 4.6 V8, feels fast because the car squats whenever you press the accelerator pedal (felt fast like in fast and furious movie but it actually took over 9 sec to 60). The cowl/A- pillar/roof make really loud vibration noise whenever you go faster than 65mph (I still sometime check if I still have my roof after extended highway cruising).
It even feel like you are going to flip over if you take corner faster than 35mph

http://www.insideline.com/mercury/grand-marquis/2010/2010-mercury-grand-marquis-ls-ultimate-edition-full-test.html

The boxster feels slower as long as you don't look at the speedometer....

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by eightsandaces

Porsche's are not boulevard stop light racers, people who rate cars based on 0-60 are limiting their interpretation of the vehicle. Face it your "volvo" is toast after sixty. I like the Elise but I hear it requires a Yogi master to assist in the entry exit of the vehicle, no thanks. Not to mention the Elise looks like a praying mantis with the "toss another set of vents in" styling cues. The new Lotus Evora looks a lot cooler but the Cayman crushed it in a side by side and costs more than 10k less.

PS My pal's worked, old school, GTO was a rocketship off the line, I don't see it setting any Nuremberg ring times of note. As Alfa used to advertise, "It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast".

I agree, I did not buy my boxster for it's off the line performance,If someone did Thay would be vary disappointed.

My point is are cars are show,that is a fact, As far as the Lotus go's Thay say if you look down and can't see your belt you will have a problem getting in and out of a lotus.This is not a problem for me.

As for the comments on the vents unlike Porsche and many other cars,there isn't a single thing on the car that is for just looks, it is there for performance reasons only.the car light at only 1850lbs it will smoke my boxster in every performance category.I would love to take you out on the track with me, based on your comments I can tell you have never been in a Lotus but obviously you an expert when it comes to the Lotus Elise.

As far as looks, I think to looks great, I like that you called it a praying mantis, it will eat my Boxster alive out on the track.

[Overdrive]

Hooray for staying on subject.

As far as the car having a 4 cylinder in it, I can see it happening due to the restrictions and efficiency requirements needed in the next few years. Obviously, it'd be a shame if they put in a 4 cylinder that wasn't a flat-4 and they continue to call the car Boxster. Hopefully, as someone stated just a few posts ago, if they do make it a flat-4 they keep it sounding like a Porshce and don't go for the Boy Racer Burble you get from any Subaru with even slightly larger exhaust plumbing.

[eightsandaces]

Originally Posted by jbs986

I agree, I did not buy my boxster for it's off the line performance,If someone did Thay would be vary disappointed.

My point is are cars are show,that is a fact, As far as the Lotus go's Thay say if you look down and can't see your belt you will have a problem getting in and out of a lotus.This is not a problem for me.

As for the comments on the vents unlike Porsche and many other cars,there isn't a single thing on the car that is for just looks, it is there for performance reasons only.the car light at only 1850lbs it will smoke my boxster in every performance category.I would love to take you out on the track with me, based on your comments I can tell you have never been in a Lotus but obviously you an expert when it comes to the Lotus Elise.

As far as looks, I think to looks great, I like that you called it a praying mantis, it will eat my Boxster alive out on the track.

You don't have to be fat to hurt entering and exiting a vehicle, old and mangled will do, I'm 6'1" and weigh 215. In fact, getting in and out of the Boxster top down has ruined me for any hard top coupe. Even on cobbled days, I can get in the Boxster.

I have no doubt the Lotus will slice up a track, the new Evora got very low ratings on AC, which in a coupe during summer traffic is vital to me. The Cayman did beat it, however as I said you can tell it's a pretty cool ride. I have no "hate" for Lotus, the Elise style just isn't my next passion.

As for the "topic":

The overall performance of the machine will be Porsche, the sound as always will be secondary.

[mikefocke]

Porsche produces a car people want and have bought in 200K+ numbers over 14 years. It is a reasonably practical car that can be a track car. The Lotus is a great track car that can be used on the street but the degree of comfort wouldn't induce me to want to take a 600+ mile a day jaunt in it. Or my wife to ride to the store in it.

Single purpose cars are gonna be better for that purpose. And if you bought the P-car thinking it was anything but what it is you are bound to be disappointed.

Now for enough $ I can get you 450HP and then we can see how you like it.

[jacabean]

The lotus Evora is a real nice car , it just needs to evolve a little. there is an "S" model coming out in the spring which should bring it's performance up to match or surpass the cayman although it cost more than a cayman it is a much more exclusive car.

On the other hand if porsche does roll out a flat 4 turbo for the 914/356/baby boxster do not expect it to sound like a flat 6. it will have different characteristics altogether. I am sure it will sound good and think of the potential performance gains from using a turbo.
I would welcome a flat 4 turbo banger . light weight and more simple , hopefully.

[jacabean]

as far as the lotus smoking a boxster , not true. in the car and driver battles of the fastest the lotus exige 260s did a 3:04.5 , boxster spyder did 3:03.8 and cayman S 3:05.8 so the lotus smoking a boxster is bull.

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by jacabean

as far as the lotus smoking a boxster , not true. in the car and driver battles of the fastest the lotus exige 260s did a 3:04.5 , boxster spyder did 3:03.8 and cayman S 3:05.8 so the lotus smoking a boxster is bull.

Jacabean I think you need to reread my post, I said my Boxster, A (99) with the 2.5L motor I wish I had 2010 spyder.

If you want to compare apples to apples take a 2006 Lotus Elise NA ( My car) and a 2006 base Boxster and yes it will smoke the Boxster.


I can not believe all the members on this board can and do defend the M96 Motor in are cars, any motor thay put in the new 2012 would be 100X better then the M96 motor. If this was an American car or even a Toyota, there would be a massive recall and an outcry amid the car critics, but No..... it's a Porsche therefor it is perfect. I think a lot of people need to lift ther heads out of the fog of denial and see the facts, Are calls are slow the (986s) and have a motor with over 20 flaws, I blame no one here, I blame Porsche.

[jacabean]

how can you compare cars that have a decade of technology between them . i think everyone up here knows the potential problems of the M96 motor. name me one 99 2.5 motor from any manufacturer , stock that puts up big performance numbers. you won't find one.

[ekam]

I think we should just ban this guy and send him to the right forum so he won't troll here anymore.

[jbs986]

Originally Posted by ekam

I think we should just ban this guy and send him to the right forum so he won't troll here anymore.

Sorry Ekam if my negative comments offended you about the M96 motor but the fact still remains that it has over 20 design flaws, there is a sponsor on this board that addresses all of these flaws, thank God we have this option. Even he criticizes Porsche for it, maybe you should ban him to.

Ekam if you are willing to replace my motor when it blows, then I will stop criticizing Porsche for the M96.

As for the 2012 Boxster I hope thay put in Audi's 2.0 it can easily modded to over 400hp, and done for very little $$$. as far as I see it the main weak link to the current Boxster is the motor.

[nefarious986]

Every car has a 'weaklink' especially when you're talking about 99 2.5s. They are 13 year old car that cost about $11k at the moment. Find me one drop top that is a better buy on the use market for that price ? And yes, it has to be a drop top. That's one of the main selling point of a boxster ROADSTER.

In my opinion, even when bought new, the Boxsters provides the best top down driving experience under $120k ( that 2010 Spyder is hard to beat ), and is one hell of a deal on the used market.

Even with that 'slow' 2.5 motor, the car's limit is still beyond the driving limit of your average driver. If clutch smoking tire burning clutch dump red light take off is your thing, please Craiglist your 99.

As far as the 2012 Boxster go, I doubt it will put up huge number or be very 'mod-able'. Unfortunately Porsche has the Cayman and 911 customers to consider and cater to. Some guy who just spent $100k on his Carrera S wont be happy to lose a straight line race to his 'little brother' with just exhaust and ecu.

BTW, this is my second time buying a 986, and your Lotus won't even be considered when I am looking for my next car as its not a drop top and the bug eye praying mantis look doesn't appeal to me.

[ekam]

Originally Posted by jbs986

Sorry Ekam if my negative comments offended you about the M96 motor but the fact still remains that it has over 20 design flaws, there is a sponsor on this board that addresses all of these flaws, thank God we have this option. Even he criticizes Porsche for it, maybe you should ban him to.

Ekam if you are willing to replace my motor when it blows, then I will stop criticizing Porsche for the M96.

As for the 2012 Boxster I hope thay put in Audi's 2.0 it can easily modded to over 400hp, and done for very little $$$. as far as I see it the main weak link to the current Boxster is the motor.

My motor blew last May but I don't whine like a little girl. So either you're organizing for some kind of lawsuit by starting another thread or STFU and move on.

[chris97boxster]

Originally Posted by Deserion

A Boxster without a boxer motor is not really a Boxster, now is it.

+1
like I said earlier. ..I didn't know what to say to a
turbo 4 cyl (if its an audi/vw)
But that statement sums it up

Would a Corvette b a vette with a V6 in it?

Would a 911 be a 911 with a V8?

Maybe they VW / porsche need a reminder on what makes a boxster
my 2 cents
Chris

[Overdrive]

That's definitely my concern...the whole point of the name of the car was combining two aspects of it, the boxer engine and it being a roadster...not trying to insult anyone's intelligence here, as I'm sure 90% of the members on here know this, but it just points to there being an obvious misnomer situation there if they continue to call the car a Boxster and the engine isn't flat, be it a flat 4, 6, whatever. That'd really be my only gripe if they were to make that error. If it's still a high power 4 cylinder, I can't really complain all that much, it's just the nature of the beast with car development these days.

As for the whole issue of the Lotus (a marque of which I am a fan, so don't try to paint me as biased) vs. the Boxster, as someone mentioned earlier, we're talking about two entirely different machines from two different eras with very different technological developments to them, as well as two very different weights. To expect a trackable street car over a decade old that used to put out 200 horses to the CRANK on a good day with the wind behind it to outperform or even keep up with a featherlight, barely streetable track car is not realistic. You might as well try to compare a Bugatti Veyron to a Tuk-Tuk. I really don't see why someone's trying so hard to point out how lame this car is. A Crown Victoria's pretty lame when you try to compare it to an F1 car, too, but which one can you drive to the track, on the track, and back home again? One could do this all day with any and every car you could think of, but why bother? People know the issues with the car and that Porsche messed up in a lot of ways...it's not stopping people from buying them and enjoying them on and off the track.
:dance:

[jacabean]

there is no need for hostilities gentlemen . We would not be up here if we did not like our Boxsters .
Back to the smaller boxster type car we have been hearing about. I don't think it is even going to be called a boxster. From what i have read the Boxster is just going to keep heading up market and this car will slot in under it to fill where the box. used to be priced.