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Old 11-18-2010, 02:56 PM   #1
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Spin on oil filter adapter. Void my warranty?

Will using the Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter from LN Engineering and a good filter void the engine warranty?

Seems odd to me that Porsche is STILL using a cartridge filter that can't possibly have the surface filtration area of a spin on filter. Add to that its a PITA to deal with and a mess.

I'd get one of these adapters if I know it won't trash the warranty..

Maybe I need to call Porsche and get it in writing.. doubt they would stick to their word if they approved it and something happened.

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PS: After posting this I called Porsche and of course they said " It would be considered an aftermarket part ( wow what a revelation ) and if something happened that could be traced to the adapter then the warranty is VOID."

I'd be interested to hear how many people use this adapter and have trashed their engines because of it. Of course you could always take the adapter off and put the OEM on back on if there was a disaster... just throw some junk in the filter canister and pray.

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Old 11-18-2010, 03:11 PM   #2
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maybe you can have the dealer put the filter on too....just to be safe
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I'd be interested to hear how many people use this adapter and have trashed their engines because of it. Of course you could always take the adapter off and put the OEM on back on if there was a disaster... just throw some junk in the filter canister and pray.
I have one on my personal car; plus numerous customers that use the LN unit. To date, I am not aware of anyone having any issues as the result of using the spin on adaptor...................

As for your warranty, I'm sure that Porsche will not accept any aftermarket parts..........
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:51 PM   #4
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The company that holds you warranty will do everything possible to void the warranty should you actually need it.

Whether or not the component works or not, it is not recognized by Porsche and therefore is deemed junk that will void the warranty.

I did the test work and development of the LN SPOFA unit, they are standard equipment on ALL my engines which cost more and are more developed than the factory engine.

If the engine is under warranty you are going to have enough of a fight getting it covered should something occur, even if you don't have any "questionable" components installed.. I'd never install the SPOFA on an engine under warranty. I do my best to avoid cars with any warranty in effect.

(I have ZERO respect for warranties)

You can have fun with the car/ engine when its out of warranty.. Until then you'll be fighting with some clown sitting in a cubicle, wearing a polyester suit who doesn't know ANYTHING about your engine when you have an issue and its his job to ensure that your claim doesn't get "authorized"..
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Since the canister holding the filter core is moot, can someone tell me why they don't manufacture a high performance core for the OEM cup and be done with it? Damn, I should be cranking these out myself in Mexico think of how many Porsche cars that would fit....
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you dare to question the evil elves of the black forest......und ze kar verks as planned out....nine struddle fors uzes
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:03 AM   #7
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Thank you Jake!

Hi Jake,

I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my query.

You certainly made a valid point in that no matter what goes wrong, the warranty issuing company will want to weasel out of it!

I suppose I better let the stealer change my oil until the warranty is gone. That way they can't blame anything on me. I can wait until the warranty fizzles out and then put the adapter on for ease of use.

Given your involvement in the development of the adapter I'm sure it's perfectly fine! Witness the fact that you use it on your own modified engines, that speaks volumes.

One more thing, do you use the adapter because it's faster or because you feel you get better filtration with the spin on filter?

Best wishes and many thanks it was great to hear from you.


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Since the canister holding the filter core is moot, can someone tell me why they don't manufacture a high performance core for the OEM cup and be done with it? Damn, I should be cranking these out myself in Mexico think of how many Porsche cars that would fit....
The SPOFA was my idea originally.. I told LN about it and Charles began design of it.. I HATE plastic engine components and wanted to remove as much plastic from the engine as possible. I also wanted to remove the factory bypass in the filter housing, the bypass opens when the filter begins to clog and allows debris from failing components to create collateral damage that takes out the entire remainder of the engine in short order.

The plastic housings also fail and are failing in greater numbers today after heat, road debris and etc have attacked them for over a decade on some older engines.

I don't use the SPOFA because its faster, I use it because the engine sees 100% of it's oil filtered and because it uses a filter that has proven to be far superior to that of the factory style. I also use it because its one less component that has to be sourced from Porsche.... We are doing everything possible to remove our dependence on Porsche for engine components for our engine program.

I consider a cartridge type filter totally acceptable for my 1949 Ford Tractor, (which came with a cartridge filter) but not a modern Porsche engine..

Some may disagree. They always do.
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I installed the LN spin on adapter as soon as it was offered for sale. The plastic/cartridge offered by OEM is garbage. Also purchase the LN magnetic drain plug...far superior to the OEM junker.

My car is going to be 9 years old and has no warranty....I also want it to have the best filtering available, with frequent oil changes.
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I consider a cartridge type filter totally acceptable for my 1949 Ford Tractor, (which came with a cartridge filter) but not a modern Porsche engine..

Jake,

When I was a technician on all sorts of British cars back in the day, they all used a cartridge filter. Trouble was there was a metal disc in the bottom of the filter canister and a spring to push it against the bottom of the cartridge.

If an owner or an independent shop didn't know that disc was there, it got thrown away with the dirty cartridge. Then when a new one was fitted without that disc, oil filled the canister but never was forced THROUGH the filter! It just bypassed the filter entirely. Talk about full flow.. lol.

I can't tell you how many of those I saw come in with that critical disc missing.

Only near the end of importation of British cars did they finally adopt a spin on filter.

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I installed the LN spin on adapter as soon as it was offered for sale. The plastic/cartridge offered by OEM is garbage. Also purchase the LN magnetic drain plug...far superior to the OEM junker.

My car is going to be 9 years old and has no warranty....I also want it to have the best filtering available, with frequent oil changes.

I worked in the chemical industry for more than twenty years, the line filters for products with very exacting standards look just like the core from Mahle, to say it's total crap might be a bit over the top. I'm not understanding how the spin on adapter filters 100% of the oil Vs ___%, if that statement is true then that is the powerful feature / benefit to promote. As for independence from Porsche, I understand the sentiment but a new oil filter is quite a ways from independence. Oh well, one new stainless fastener at a time, what I hate most about Porsche is their lousy polymers. I don't know if it's because of tougher European standards but at Kodak we used a lot of lexan, Ge's polymers are good stuff wear a long time.
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The safer way if you stay with Porches filter is simple. Change the filter more often, say every 2000 miles. Then change the oil every 7500-10000 miles. No big deal.
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dont the older motors have issues with LACK of oil rather than how dirty or clean it is ?
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I worked in the chemical industry for more than twenty years, the line filters for products with very exacting standards look just like the core from Mahle, to say it's total crap might be a bit over the top. I'm not understanding how the spin on adapter filters 100% of the oil Vs ___%, if that statement is true then that is the powerful feature / benefit to promote. As for independence from Porsche, I understand the sentiment but a new oil filter is quite a ways from independence. Oh well, one new stainless fastener at a time, what I hate most about Porsche is their lousy polymers. I don't know if it's because of tougher European standards but at Kodak we used a lot of lexan, Ge's polymers are good stuff wear a long time.
The spin on adaptor eliminates the bypass valve in the bottom of the plastic OEM canister, resulting in 100% oil filtration.

As for Mahle/Mann filter quality, you'd be surprised how many we remove that have the treated paper end caps ripped; resulting in 100% filtration bypass (nothing is being filtered). The OEM filters also have the end caps butt glued to the filter media, often with gaps, again allowing the oil to bypass the filter. The spin on filters has metal end caps which are crimped over the media to eliminate any chance for leaks, and the metal housing eliminates the paper endcap issues. Depending upon which spin on filter you choose, you are also getting substantially better media pore sizes, roughly 25-35% finer than the OEM cartridge, and yet costs about 1/3 what the Mahle does…………..
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Stronger too

I have the adapter on my car. At Road America I had a bit of an off in Canada corner and dented the filter. If it eas the plastic canister I don't think it would survived.
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