Castrol Edge? is it a new Syntec?
 

Hi,

I'm planning to change oil and I was looking for rebates on castrol syntec 5w40...

I noticed Castrol has a new oil they advertise "edge".. they advertise it as full syntetic.. and a "new formula"

Should I go for edge or stick with Syntec?

Did anyone tried it or know anything about it?

Thanks
Sasha

I would go with the proven Syntec 5w40. It takes awhile before you know about a new oil and it's characteristics to be known. :cheers:

No, Edge is a new product, is not available in 5W or 10W-40 weights, and does not hold the ACEA A3, B3, B4 ratings.

Thanks,

I'll go with good old syntec

Sasha

In a related vein, JFP---You still recommending the Syntec 10W-40 over the 5W-40?

Yes, UoA's continue to support that it holds up somewhat better, particularly under high heat/shear conditions.............

Data sheets I have say that Edge is only available in 5W-30 and 10W-30 weights, and they do not have ACEA A3, B2, B4; both are also too thin for Porsche use. The "Edge Sport" is supposedly not widely available currently in North America due to some marketing agreements according to my Castrol rep.

As for 0W-anything weight oils, based upon how well most hold up in UoA's, I wouldn't use them in my lawn mower...........

JFP's correct. EDGE is not available in the US in anything other than the xw-30 weights.

from castrol's US site:

http://s180500392.onlinehome.us/posts/castroledge.PNG

A lot of guys over on the BMW forums are using it, and seem happy with it, but I'd agree with JFP here.

in any case having to do with OIL and the m96 motor I would always go with the opinion of someone like JFP because he can back it all up with tests and experience

as true as it may be that it works well in other motors I can only compare it to a friend of mine who is a huge mustang guy. they love to build High horsepower motors good for some of them into the 1000hp range... what oil do they use? many just use whatever is on sale at the time.

every motor is different and like cloudsurfer said in this case I would defer to someone like JFP

When it becomes readily available here, we will take a good look at it; but I’m not going to pop $60-70 per 5 Qt jug to test it, particularly when some of the stuff I’ve come across was imported from Malaysia or Australia, and may not be the same formula they eventually release for North America.

If you really want to get a killer oil, just hop on over to your local Ferrari dealership as ask for some of the Shell Helix that they make for Ferrari’s wiz-bang cars; really nice product that sells for around $100 per liter………..

This reminds me of a funny story .... Quite a few years ago I owned an Alfa Romeo Spider. Yeah, I know - lets not even go there. Any way, the same dealership also sold Ferraris. To make a long story short, the dealership loved to "tout" the Agip brand of oil. Interestingly, depending upon which parts counter you were standing in front of (Alfa or Ferrari) determined the price of the oil. For example, if you were at the Alfa counter the price was $$$$. If you were at the Ferrari counter the price was $$$$$$. Both for the exact same oil. :)

This practice is common. Not only for oil, but parts. I.E. a control arm for a VW might be $$$, but if it's the exact same part sold for an Audi it's $$$$.

speaking of agip...


http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_ima...mb-450x436.jpg

One more question:
Is 10w40 too thick for Seattle?

Car is always garaged overnight so in the night it never gets under 50F
During day I park in underground parking.. so I don't think gets under 32F too often...
And in Seattle there is very rarely sub freezing temperatures..

I'm asking because I cann't find 5w40 anywhere and local Napa store has 10w40 for 7$ quart
and closest wallmart/Advance Auto.. is 1hr away from me:(

Thanks
Sasha

I run 10w40 Lubro Moly here in Seattle and have never had a problem. Same issue, couldn't reliably find 5w40. And $7/qt isn't so bad these days.

I did get a 3-gallon case of Delo 400 for $25 for the truck. But then again Mobil 1 for the bike was $14.99/qt. I've stopped caring about the price of motor oil a while ago. Just cost of doing business.

We run 10W-40 year round in most of our customer's cars out here, and we see temps a lot lower than you ever would............. You'll be fine.

I think it's just a marketing gimmick, basically same product new name.

Actually, no, Edge is a distinct product with completely different ratings than Syntec; and is currently available only in a couple of weights that are not usable in a Porsche. Castrol also has a “Pro Edge” product line in more compatible weights, currently unavailable in North America, that is getting very favorable reviews overseas…………

This thread is a year old, and it looks like Castrol is rebranding stuff.
It appears Castrol Syntec is now Castrol Edge with Syntec.
www.castrol.com has all the details.

They even say the 5w-50 has zinc for older cars.

Both product lines continue to exist, name modification not withstanding. One of the major differences between the old Syntec (now Edge with Syntec technology) and the Edge (now with titanium technology) is the weight grades offered and type of ACEA ratings the different lines offer. The Edge with Syntec offers ACEA A3, B3, B4 ratings in weights suitable for Porsche applications; the Edge with titanium does not offer either.

I have no idea what I bought the other day then. I haven't put it in, but I'm pretty sure I bought some of this "edge" stuff the other day @ $31.99 for 5qts and get a free filter from Advance Auto. I bought it in 10W40 for sure. It said Full Synthetic and even said "formally Syntec" It comes in a black container. I guess I'll have to look at it a little closer, but I was assuming I would be ok to use it.... Think I shouldn't?

Of course they didn't have the filter I needed so I just had to get them for my other vehicles.

JFP, Would running 10W-40 instead of 5W-40 help an (occasional & low) lifter noise?

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You're fine............

Typically, yes. Many of the noises attributed to lifters in the M96/97 are actually related to the chain tensioners, which often bleed down on lighter weight oils.

Thank you sir, gonna change it tomorrow then.

Jake, I'm running the same as you (the black "Edge" container) that is 10w40. My lifters are still noisy as hell. I have never heard another boxster with the engine cover off, so I have nothing to compare it to, but they are definitely "noticeable"... I thought 10w40 would fix that, but there was no change...

Due to the restrictive sized oil passages on the OEM lifters/cam followers, it is easy for them to become problematic due to crud or varnish build up. Once that becomes severe, only changing them will quiet the engine...............

are there any additives or something that I could try that target the lifters?

I am not aware of any. I think the biggest issue is that the blocked passages are like a clogged drain, you need to get a cleaner into them, but that does not happen easily because of the blockage; and which is why people end up replacing them.

Sounds expensive :)

Mine could be perfectly normal, I just had the engine cover off the other day while doing some routine stuff and thought to myself "what's that little ticking sound?".. so they were noticeable.

guess i need to get more boxster buddies so i can hear their's!

Just be sure you are not hearing the injectors ticking.

looks like that's changed...

http://greenpuppydev.com/blog_post_i...strol_edge.jpg

"New Name, Better Formula - Formerly Castrol Syntec"

That is "Castrol Edge with Syntec Technology", a replacement for the old Syntec, which holds ACEA A3,B3,B4. "Edge", which is not available in 10W-40, does not hold those ACEA ratings, it holds different ones (A1, B1, B5). The replacement Syntec is basically the old product with a different additive package, which limited UOA's say is doing pretty good.

Now if they would only make the "Edge Professional" available in North America......

so there's a "Castrol Edge with Syntec Technology" and a regular "Castrol Edge" that's different... what marketing putz came up with that.

regular 'ol Castrol Syntec is getting hard to find around here - it used to be everywhere. now the regular places I go have limited supplies of it.

The original Syntec will totally disappear, the replacement product is all you will eventually find when the old stocks are gone. Fortunately, the new "Edge with Syntec Technology" is at least starting to look like a worthy replacement, but only time, and UOA's, will tell................

If one were to come across some of the Syntec would it be wise to buy it in anticipation of it's unavailability? Does synthetic motor oil have a shelf life?

Most synthetics have a shelf life of about 2-3 years, with the limiting factor being the separation of the additive package from the base stocks during long term storage. So before buying it, I'd also check the date of manufacture.

As the UOA’s on the new product have looked pretty good as well (limited number of samples), I wouldn’t be overly concerned about stocking up.

Thanks JFP.

Wonder how long it will take for Porsche to add the new blend to their "Approved" list?