Flat 6 Innovations saved my motor

[Sputter]

I'd say that's a very comfortable price. It's one that I wouldn't drag my feet over.

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

For the procedure to be carried out at our facility the charges total 3,500.00 as a flat rate, no matter how simple or difficult your particular extraction may be for 6 speed cars. Tiptronic cars vary rate wise.

This includes:
- Pre- procedure chassis dyno evaluation
- IMS Bearing retrofit kit with installation
- Updated OE RMS with installation
- Full OE Clutch kit with release bearing, clutch disc and pressure plate
- Engine Oil service with 110.00 credit toward engine oil of the customer's choice.
- Post- procedure Chassis Dyno evaluation
- FSI door decal stating the serial number of the bearing retrofitted for proof the procedure has been carried out. We also log each engine number and VIN in our database
- Post procedure test drive, usually 80-100 miles to ensure no leaks are present and that the engine performs as expected. (I do these personally)

In some instances the work can be done cheaper by other shops, but others charge more because they hit "problems". We don't do this because we mutually developed this procedure with LN Engineering and know it better than anyone.

We keep it simple with one flat rate charge, of course we can apply more updates while we have your car on premises and there are a few options we are adding as more flat rate services, like lifter updates, variocam wear component replacement, timing chain replacement and tensioner replacements.

The cheapest I have seen a shop do this work was 2,000.00 but that didn't include a new clutch kit. I will not do this procedure without replacing the clutch arrangement because they are all worn out or very close. In all of 2009 we didn't pull a single clutch that was acceptable to reuse.

[Banana S]

Just curious... What's the price to do the IMS Upgrade as opposed to the IMS Retrofit?

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"I decided to take my 2000 Boxster S to Jake to have the IMS retrofit performed. There were no symptoms of any kind that I was having IMS issues, I just wanted a little peace of mind. When the IMS was pulled, Jake found that it was already in failure mode and would have soon caused the complete failure of my motor."

Did an Independent third party verify the fact that the bearing was in failure mode?

Here you are again, questioning everything Jake does. What have you contributed to the development of anything Porsche? What are you trying to accomplish? Stop being a douche

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"Here you are again, questioning everything Jake does. What have you contributed to the development of anything Porsche? What are you trying to accomplish? Stop being a douche"

Please report to Jim Jones "People Temple'.

Maybe try and focus on helping people and answering questions on this forum rather than bashing everything everyone does.

If you are suggesting that believing what Jake does and says is cultish. Then so be it. He has put more time into development of the M96 then anyone. When your Boxster has a problem, don't come here and ask for help.

[rick3000]

Originally Posted by gwoodburn

If you are suggesting that believing what Jake does and says is cultish. Then so be it. He has put more time into development of the M96 then anyone. When your Boxster has a problem, don't come here and ask for help.

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing, however I see nothing wrong with asking for a third party opinion vs. blindly accepting what you are told by one person (no matter who it is). Some people are more skeptical and/or less trusting than others, and there is nothing wrong with that. What this forum doesn't need is people that get upset and call each other names.

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by rick3000

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing, however I see nothing wrong with asking for a third party opinion vs. blindly accepting what you are told by one person (no matter who it is). Some people are more skeptical and/or less trusting than others, and there is nothing wrong with that. What this forum doesn't need is people that get upset and call each other names.

I agree that a third party opinion is always a good thing, but I am sure Jake did not blindly say that the bearing was on its way out and didn't back it up by showing his customer why. I wasn't there so I am just speculating, that's just my guess.

Also I do agree with you that this is not a place to call each other names. For that, I do apologize. It is counterproductive.

[Banana S]

Originally Posted by Banana S

Just curious... What's the price to do the IMS Upgrade as opposed to the IMS Retrofit?

Bump to possibly get my question answered, since otherwise it's likely to get lost in the Troll Chow.

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by Banana S

Bump to possibly get my question answered, since otherwise it's likely to get lost in the Troll Chow.

http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html

The prices are at the bottom of the page.
$895 = Upgrade
$519-$595 = Retrofit

If its labor your talking about, then the Retrofit should cost you an additional 2-3 hours on top of a clutch job. Depending on what the hourly rate is in your area I would say maybe an additional $200-$300. If it is a double row bearing, it may take a bit longer because they can be harder to remove. The Upgrade requires the engine be completely disassembled so I don't really know a dollar amount. You probably do not want to go that route unless you have another reason to disassemble the engine.

[Banana S]

Originally Posted by gwoodburn

http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html

The prices are at the bottom of the page.
$895 = Upgrade
$519-$595 = Retrofit

If its labor your talking about, then the Retrofit should cost you an additional 2-3 hours on top of a clutch job. Depending on what the hourly rate is in your area I would say maybe an additional $200-$300. If it is a double row bearing, it may take a bit longer because they can be harder to remove. The Upgrade requires the engine be completely disassembled so I don't really know a dollar amount. You probably do not want to go that route unless you have another reason to disassemble the engine.

Thanks, but I'm trying to ask Jake what HIS flat rate is for the upgrade (if he has one).

[Banana S]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"Thanks, but I'm trying to ask Jake what HIS flat rate is for the upgrade (if he has one)."

I think he has answered this question numerous times:

"For the procedure to be carried out at our facility the charges total 3,500.00 as a flat rate, no matter how simple or difficult your particular extraction may be for 6 speed cars. Tiptronic cars vary rate wise."

And don't you think you should use his BUSINESS site to ask him this question?

Why has this forum turned into another business site for flat6 innovations?

The flat rate quoted above is for the IMS RETROFIT. I'm asking if Jake has a flat fee for the IMS UPGRADE. Two entirely different products, two entirely different installation procedures.

And no, I don't think I should use his BUSINESS site to ask him this question. I'm specifically asking it here because I'm relatively certain that I'm not the only one here who wants to know.

If you're not interested, you're free to leave at any time. (Or at least stop posting in this thread. )

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by Banana S

Thanks, but I'm trying to ask Jake what HIS flat rate is for the upgrade (if he has one).

Ha ha, sorry. I didn't realize it was a question for Jake. My bad.

It's a good question though. cheers!

[Banana S]

Originally Posted by gwoodburn

Ha ha, sorry. I didn't realize it was a question for Jake. My bad.

No, it was my error. I wasn't clear in my original post. Sorry for the confusion.