Dispeling M96 engine rumors - Page 4 - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

jmatta · 01-13-2010, 12:09 PM

Keeping this civil, I have one comment, since I brought this up.

Jake and Charles are real; you can talk to them and we know where they are and their expertise is proven. JFP in PA is a known, knowledgeable contributor.

Others that chime in (with no substantiation) cannot be taken seriously, as they have zero credibility. "Brian Porsche Tech" is as real as the tooth fairy, as far as I'm concerned.

Dragonwind · 01-14-2010, 03:12 AM

Because tone is a hard thing to convey over the internet to me Jake makes it sound like every engine is about to die but if you read most all of his posts you see that he really is just trying to help everyone out. If it wasn't for him working with LN I'd never have the new bearing in my car.

One thing I'll add, and it seems to come up every so ofter, is that the more and harder you drive the car the longer it lasts. These older Boxsters with low milage seem to die young. Maybe this has to do with heat which the stock bearing cannot take very well who knows but I recall reading that even Jake's shop will tell you that.

Anyways nothing but respect for the man and what he's done to aid our passion.

Chris

cvhs18472 · 01-14-2010, 03:53 AM

When first got my 98 Boxster w/tip I had no idea about the IMS failures even though I reseaeched Boxsters for awhile. For the first couple of months I worried about the engine taking a s**t. I then realized that the reason I purchased the car was to drive like hell. I haven't worried since. If and when the engine goes south I will send it to Jake to have it rebuilt . I like my car and with the cost of improvements which I have made it will probably be a wash with money. I like having cars for a long time and getting to know them. To me the Box is worth getting to know. Going through life worrying about everything will kill you as quickly as being stupid and it certainly no fun. ED

Brucelee · 01-14-2010, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jmatta

Keeping this civil, I have one comment, since I brought this up.

Jake and Charles are real; you can talk to them and we know where they are and their expertise is proven. JFP in PA is a known, knowledgeable contributor.

Others that chime in (with no substantiation) cannot be taken seriously, as they have zero credibility. "Brian Porsche Tech" is as real as the tooth fairy, as far as I'm concerned.

You mean the tooth fairy is NOT real????????????????

Chris02BoxsterS · 01-14-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by navair

So, does anybody have hard data for the production cut in of the single row IMS bearing vice the older (and "better") twin row? I have an '02 (may 2002) 'S', hoping mine has the dual row. I missed a chance to have the bearing changed out when I had the clutch done at 40K (almost free due to a RMS leak fixed under warranty), dammit!

I'm just completing a DYI IMS bearing replacement myself with Charles' LN kit, hope to turn the key tomorrow or Sat. My '02 S is a single row bearing setup which made replacement straightforward with the tools from LN. Clutch disk and CV boots done at the same time 23.2K miles, two hard DE days, I'm 3rd owner. No play in shaft was found but edge bits of the seal were missing.

From Pelican Part Tech site:
Boxster Double Row:
Engine Number up to 651 12851 (M96.22)
Engine Number up to 671 11237 (M96.21)

Boxster Single Row:
Engine Number from 651 12852 (M96.22)
Engine Number from 671 11238 (M96.21)

996 Double Row:
Engine Number up to 661 14164

996 Single Row:
Engine Number from 661 14165

I've heard from Jake this may not be 100% accurate so I pulled my trans before ordering a kit. PM me if you want more info as I just did this over the past month.

~ Chris

Lil bastard · 01-14-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cvhs18472

When first got my 98 Boxster w/tip I had no idea about the IMS failures even though I reseaeched Boxsters for awhile. For the first couple of months I worried about the engine taking a s**t. I then realized that the reason I purchased the car was to drive like hell. I haven't worried since. If and when the engine goes south I will send it to Jake to have it rebuilt . I like my car and with the cost of improvements which I have made it will probably be a wash with money. I like having cars for a long time and getting to know them. To me the Box is worth getting to know. Going through life worrying about everything will kill you as quickly as being stupid and it certainly no fun. ED

IMS is not a common failure on the early cars, and less problematic with the Tip vs Manual cars, in fact it's quite rare. It didn't become a significant issue until Porsche modified their original design. The least of my worries with my '99 is IMS.

Cheers!

Jake Raby · 01-14-2010, 05:22 PM

Its always the vendor.... the horrible, money stealing, vendor. We are all a bunch of lying bastards that don't care if your car even runs. Thats the way people make us out to be and I am absolutely sick of it. Done with it.

If it weren't for a couple of really motivated vendors the IMS retrofit would not be in question, because it would not be possible and engines would not be getting saved from the scrap yard weekly.. You would not have a choice.

Keep complaining, at least we can pull the damn bearing- Porsche says thats impossible.

Your welcome.

coreseller · 01-14-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Its always the vendor.... the horrible, money stealing, vendor. We are all a bunch of lying bastards that don't care if your car even runs. Thats the way people make us out to be and I am absolutely sick of it. Done with it.

If it weren't for a couple of really motivated vendors the IMS retrofit would not be in question, because it would not be possible and engines would not be getting saved from the scrap yard weekly.. You would not have a choice.

Keep complaining, at least we can pull the damn bearing- Porsche says thats impossible.

Your welcome.

Whole heartedly agree with your sentiments. You, Pedro, Jay (who was offering research) who offer answers too often get crap thrown at you when you try to offer solutions to known issues. Don't get too discouraged guys, there's plenty of us in the background watching and reading without posting............

jbs986 · 01-14-2010, 06:24 PM

Hi I am new to this board and this is My first post so please go easy on Me.

I bought My 99 Boxster 4 months ago, It is my first Porsche, I have been diving Corvettes for 17 years and I have always wanted to own a Porsche one day and now I do, love My 99 Box.

Before I bought My Box, I found this Board when I was doing My homework before buying My First Porsche and I am glad I found it, It helped Me in buying My Box.

I am glad that there are guys like Jake Raby out there that offer a retofit IMS and other Mods for the M96, So thanks Jake and others that post helpful info. on this board.

It has made owning My Porsche an enjoyable experience.

Thanks again.

Dragonwind · 01-15-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Its always the vendor.... the horrible, money stealing, vendor. We are all a bunch of lying bastards that don't care if your car even runs. Thats the way people make us out to be and I am absolutely sick of it. Done with it.

Um...I though a bunch of us were defending you...

Dragonwind · 01-15-2010, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Its always the vendor.... the horrible, money stealing, vendor. We are all a bunch of lying bastards that don't care if your car even runs. Thats the way people make us out to be and I am absolutely sick of it. Done with it.

Um...I though a bunch of us were defending you...

+1 on on your feelings though as this gets out of hand sometimes.

Chris

jmatta · 01-15-2010, 03:06 AM

If it weren't for Jake and Charles, I would still be in the dark about potential problems with my Box and have few options should something go wrong. Instead, I have been proactively updating my engine with LN parts and will install the IMS update when an appropriate opportunity arises.

I applaud Jake and Charles' work and am sickened by the non-believers that jump on someone's bandwagon after only two posts and no credibility.

Please continue with your input and valuable updates...my car truly appreciates it!

Jake Raby · 01-15-2010, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonwind

Um...I though a bunch of us were defending you...

Unfortunately not enough have been... The free information is over- if people are going to ******************** moan and complain I'll at least charge for what we share. This way at least we'll get something for putting up with all the crap.

Charles and I pour our entire lives into engine development and its pretty easy to get sick of people who make us out to be the bad guy.

Brucelee · 01-15-2010, 04:10 AM

There will always be deniers of this issue. I see this over on the BMW boards regarding persistent defects in their designs as well.

I think it makes the buyers feel a little less insecure about an issue that is really there. Whatever.

I think the regulars know what Jakes is all about. I think we all appreciate his time and attention.

Hang in there Jake, the folks who matter know what you are about.

landrovered · 01-15-2010, 04:22 AM

Jake,

I have re-read the thread and it appears to me that there is more going on here than just some porsche mechanic offering an alternative view from yours.

To me it looks like there is something else going on in your life for this thread to illicit the above "I'll just take my football and go home" response. It does not add up.

I am the one that said that things like your "holiday IMS failure count" might be causing undue distress to boxster owner so if you have a beef perhaps I am the one you need to be speaking to.

You are passionate about your work, that is a good thing. You have a financial dog in the fight. There is nothing wrong with that. It is transparent and that is the way it should be. I applaud the work you have done and would be inclined to utilize your services in the future.

But...

Expecting unwavering gratitude from forum users is just dumb and it makes you look foolish when you go off because of a thread as vanilla as this one. You know that trying to get a consensus on the internet is like trying to herd cats.

My advice (its free so take it for what it is worth) is you should cowboy up and when someone offers a different view of the subject than yours, don't take it personally. Debate the issues and realize that it is not an idictment of all that you stand for nor is is a review of your company or your work.

I have not read anything but sterling comments on you and your company.

Jake Raby · 01-15-2010, 04:59 AM

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To me it looks like there is something else going on in your life for this thread to illicit the above "I'll just take my football and go home" response. It does not add up.

Nothing else is going on in my life, these engines and the business I have built ARE my life. Consider the fact that there are currently posts on three other boards from vendor haters that are comparable to this one and it'll add up fairly quickly. I've been working with VW and Porsche enthusiasts since the age of 13 when I had my first paying customer for an engine build. Through all those years I've never experienced a group of people that thought vendors were so horrible, money grubbing, lying bastards.

Who gives a damn if I have a financial dog in the fight.. Trust that I work for every damn penny we generate here and all things totaled I probably end up making two friggin dollars an hour.

This week I saved a clients engine that was more than likely MINUTES away from failure, we didn't know it and he didn't know it but he came by and saw it apart first hand when we extracted his smoked bearing. I kept FIFTEEN THOUSAND dollars in his bank account, I wonder what he thinks about vendors?

Pour your heart and soul into something to have all of that questioned by people that would not know what an IMS bearing was if it fell from the sky and landed on their keyboard and you'd be just as pissed off as I am.

JAAY · 01-15-2010, 05:24 AM

We are fortunate to have a real Porsche engine builder/designer on this forum. The man has the best reputation and needs not to back up anything he says. Yes he wants to make a living on his service and products. Why is that so terrible? He has never pushed a product stating that we need it or else. IMS is a chance just like a hole in a piston or a bearing going.

landrovered · 01-15-2010, 05:32 AM

jake,

No one ever questioned your passion here.

I not only read Porsche forums, I read about five Land Rover forums plus about six general automotive forums.

I feel for the vendors, I feel for the service writers that have to deal with every pretencious pricks that think their high dollar vehicle should never ever fail in any way.

Vendors are in a tough spot, they sell their wares and put up with a lot of crap but the good ones benefit from the process and gain business that they would not have if it were not for the internet.

I might question the zeal with which you warn the flock about the dangers of IMS failures.

Call it a marketing gripe but your threads are riddled with a tone of eventuality that can be taken in a way other than you intend.

"Tick Tick Boom" for example.

It is a tough thing to do, to warn folks with passion and zeal and not sound like Henny Penny.

"Fifteen minutes away from failure" for example.

Why not let your satisfied customers promote your services here on this board, obviously you have a lot of fans.

Then you can just share your knowledge without all the comments that can be taken by the reader as scare tactics.

Jake Raby · 01-15-2010, 05:40 AM

I am a point blank person. I sugar coat nothing and expect the same from others.
If you talked to the people we talk to and saw the destruction that we do you'd understand.

I attended my Uncle's Funeral yesterday... While I was there I was comparing my job to that of a Funeral Director, just with a different twist.

These days few people people can handle someone that isn't bending over backwards to tell them what they want to hear.

landrovered · 01-15-2010, 05:49 AM

A funeral yesterday, sorry to hear that. It might explain yesterday's rant. I'll chalk that one up to having a bad day. Happens to all of us.

I too have little time for bull****************. That is why I have said my piece here.

I will agree to "drive it like I stole it" and call you for work on my engine if you will drop the "tick tick boom."

Deal?