Street Racing: The carnage continues

[timothy]

Randall, don't get me wrong, the bulk of the comment was in jest and intended to raise a economic concern about our current system of locking up someone "for the rest of his life," as ChrisZang put it. I don't advocate capital punishment as routine, regardless of the incarceration costs. But with life in prison costing over 800k (assuming 40 years), I get frustrated by the ever increasing prison population as another group to be supported by Mr and Mrs tax payer. Clearly shooting someone is not the answer but neither is an overcrowded jail system. I like your idea of a jumpsuit and shovel as standard issue. Driving through west Texas I've seen guards on horseback watching over prison work crews. If the courts took that approach with early offenders there may not be so many who return for a second and third stay.

[RandallNeighbour]

I should have wrote initially that I had guessed your response was in jest (well, 80% of it anyway!)

We need serious prison reform in this country. However, constitutional amendments must be drafted and pass congress to really clamp down on the problem or the ACLU will continue to whine on behalf of poorly treated prisoners... who should lose a vast majority of their rights while in prison.

[Quickurt]

I have your prison reform plan, you'll LOVE this!

Anyone can make a mistake. As long as it is not murder or extreme aggravated violence, I would have one sentence - five years.
During those five years there are no possibilities of early release, for any reason. Also, during those five years, you WILL learn a trade, and you will be paid minimum wage for those 80 hour weeks you WILL work at mastering the trade you have chosen. You will, however, have no access to those funds you are earning, other than whatever the alotment is currently to buy cigarettes, coffee, etc. So, when your five years is up, you will have a nest-egg (that has drawn market interest) to set yourself up in a place to live, purchase some sort of transportation and have living expenses while finding a job. You will have NO EXCUSE for returning to a life of crime.
IF the crime is murder, extreme violence or a return offender, you have forfeited your right to exist in our society. Bye-bye.
I see no circumstance in which we (society) owe more to a violent criminal, or one who refuses to accept the rules for remaining in our soiciety, than we (society) owe to ourselves.

[nefarious986]

I m guessing you guys have never been to the big house. You simply can't run a prison yard that way.

Sure, there's prison in Thailand that gives the inmate once a month showers via fire hoses, and SWAT teams is required to enter the jail because the inmates WILL attack. But that's Thailand. This is America. There's plenty of bleeding heart liberals that will swamp the district attorney, senator, governor with human right violation lawsuits.

Inside the prison will be worse. People can only be pushed so far before they resort to extreme levels of violence. Especially those already violently inclined. There WILL be daily riots. You'll have to double the prison guards (which get paid about $120k a year after overtimes since they work 12 hour shifts ). Those guys will have to have extra protection gear for those guards at ALL time because they will be attacked by prisoners much more frequently. Death count will sky rocket for both inmates and guards. That means funeral cost and compensation for the guard's family as well as funeral for the inmate .. unless you want to save money just toss their bodies in a ditch and be done with it.

Whatever you save on the 50c to $1 that it actually cost for an inmate's meal will quickly be paid back in other ways.

And btw, 'early release' program is what actually keeps SOME of the inmates in line and is actually the biggest trap to re incarcerate the inmate for a MUCH longer period of time for violations. Try keeping order in a prison yard where good behavior counts for diddly.

This is just a lil rant. I know most of you guys are mostly kidding.

BTW, you guys should watch this movie called `Felon` ( imdb ) . Its a great movie about prison life. It also makes a great case to why the 5 year rule proposed by Quickurt would never work.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by nefarious986

I m guessing you guys have never been to the big house. You simply can't run a prison yard that way.

Sure, there's prison in Thailand that gives the inmate once a month showers via fire hoses, and SWAT teams is required to enter the jail because the inmates WILL attack. But that's Thailand. This is America. There's plenty of bleeding heart liberals that will swamp the district attorney, senator, governor with human right violation lawsuits.

Inside the prison will be worse. People can only be pushed so far before they resort to extreme levels of violence. Especially those already violently inclined. There WILL be daily riots. You'll have to double the prison guards (which get paid about $120k a year after overtimes since they work 12 hour shifts ). Those guys will have to have extra protection gear for those guards at ALL time because they will be attacked by prisoners much more frequently. Death count will sky rocket for both inmates and guards. That means funeral cost and compensation for the guard's family as well as funeral for the inmate .. unless you want to save money just toss their bodies in a ditch and be done with it.

Whatever you save on the 50c to $1 that it actually cost for an inmate's meal will quickly be paid back in other ways.

And btw, 'early release' program is what actually keeps SOME of the inmates in line and is actually the biggest trap to re incarcerate the inmate for a MUCH longer period of time for violations. Try keeping order in a prison yard where good behavior counts for diddly.

This is just a lil rant. I know most of you guys are mostly kidding.

BTW, you guys should watch this movie called `Felon` ( imdb ) . Its a great movie about prison life. It also makes a great case to why the 5 year rule proposed by Quickurt would never work.

May be, but my bye-byes will work - EVERY TIME.

[Brucelee]

We are a bit off topic here, no?

Again, lets be careful out there. Often, it isn't what you do, its what you don't see coming. Use those rear view and side mirrors often.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

We are a bit off topic here, no?

Again, lets be careful out there. Often, it isn't what you do, its what you don't see coming. Use those rear view and side mirrors often.

I was thinking the same about the topic, about the time I finished the last post and went back to General Discussion - Street racing? Thats what we were talking about?
And yes to the mirrors in traffic. I'm blessed with years of racing one of the slower classes in the group. We had FCs and Atlantics on the track at the same time and especially the Atlantics were WAYYYY faster. I always kept my mirrors front and center in my awareness.
Here in J-Ville the brothers have become really big on crotch rockets and they race on the expressways constantly. It is not uncommon to have four to ten of them scream up from behind, doing 40 to 60 mph more than traffic and cut between cars, between and across lanes, as just a flash. It scares the hell our of me and my wife will litterally scream. We have alot of organ donors, here in Jax.
I still keep my mirrors well adjusted and well within heightened awareness levels. I like to think that has maybe saved a few of these idiot lives for a couple more days.