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Old 06-28-2008, 06:02 PM   #1
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I rented a G6 GT recently and was impressed. Given the price, it was a lot of car for the dough, handled well, was tight and quiet.

Having said that, the GM dealer network is what it is, not very good.
It seems like every time we go to Seattle to visit my daughter and family, I end up with a four door standard G6.
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It's a shame that Detroit, trying to keep up with the rest of the world, is always shooting themselves in the foot with all these models that don't cut the mustard. Have you seen how thin the metal body panels are on a Dodge? Not sure but I think GM still uses those cheap ass throttle body injection units. I believe their main problem is that the UAW is making them design with their hands tied behind their backs and their heads up their ass's. What I mean is the Union basically holds the big three hostage an threatens them with striking unless their over-inflated demands are met. With that, auto makers end up paying way more than the worker is worth for the job they do. The benefits package? Well we won't get into that.

And people wonder why Detroit can't produce a car that will keep up with the foreign models. That's easy to see why, to keep profit margins up for the investors and after paying the ransom from the UAW, they have to skimp on matrials and technology (which in the end equals quality) to keep the cars in a price range that the majority can afford.

What ever happened to loyalty? If workers treated their jobs like they were on a team and sacrificed themselves for that team I think we would produce a car that no one could touch. But since we don't have that I guess that's what they call "capitalism".
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:32 PM   #3
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Because it was mentioned. I drive my Boxster daily. In fact except for about 6mo. I have always driven a Porsche as a DD. My dad has a 993 he uses every day.

We had a Toyota Celica ('87), that occasionally had to be rescued by my 944. Even my mom's M3 has left her stranded.

In nearly 100K miles only 3 times did my 944 leave me stranded. Only once was it major (clutch, original at 180K). That car now has 230K miles.

Personally a well built (albeit expensive) car is worth it. A civic is great as a beater, but a Porsche is more rewarding to drive. I got to ride in a brand new '09 I think V6 accord. A stripped base v6 it cost about the same as what I paid for my '05 base. It was nice, much improved from previous models. But its still a toaster.

As sad as it is that GM can't produce a good car to save their lives, it's true. We knew one couple who traded their 996 for a Corvette and a few months later got another Porsche and ditched the vette.

I also got to drive a G6 GT, it was crap.... The traction control didn't do anything, not that it could spin the tires (I tried, it was an auto however)

I won't say a Porsche is 'cheap' to own, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
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Old 06-29-2008, 08:05 AM   #4
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Are you basing this on first hand knowledge or just wild conjecture?
From what you wrote, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. (i'm being polite here).

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It's a shame that Detroit, trying to keep up with the rest of the world, is always shooting themselves in the foot with all these models that don't cut the mustard. Have you seen how thin the metal body panels are on a Dodge? Not sure but I think GM still uses those cheap ass throttle body injection units. I believe their main problem is that the UAW is making them design with their hands tied behind their backs and their heads up their ass's. What I mean is the Union basically holds the big three hostage an threatens them with striking unless their over-inflated demands are met. With that, auto makers end up paying way more than the worker is worth for the job they do. The benefits package? Well we won't get into that.

And people wonder why Detroit can't produce a car that will keep up with the foreign models. That's easy to see why, to keep profit margins up for the investors and after paying the ransom from the UAW, they have to skimp on matrials and technology (which in the end equals quality) to keep the cars in a price range that the majority can afford.

What ever happened to loyalty? If workers treated their jobs like they were on a team and sacrificed themselves for that team I think we would produce a car that no one could touch. But since we don't have that I guess that's what they call "capitalism".
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