06-01-2008, 07:11 AM
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Does the Corvette have (I don't know the answers):
4 cams?
4 valves per cylinder?
Variable valve timing?
Pushrod valve activation?
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Nope on the 4 cams, 4 valves, and VVT, and of course, it has pushrods. That doesn't mean it isn't sophisticated, and it doesn't seem to need that stuff to make plenty of HP while delivering comparatively good fuel economy (17/24 mpg). The basic specifications are the same as Le Mans winning C5-R engine. 7.0L, 505 HP, 470 lb-ft torque. Aluminium block and heads, and you don't hear Corvette owners worrying about hitting the 7000 rpm redline with this motor. Titanium connecting rods and intake valves, sodium-filled exhaust valves, 11.0:1 compression. Dry sump lubrication.
That's a lot of engine for $14K. Considering that Porsches with comparable performance have engine replacement costs probably in excess of $30K, owners should expect at least similar performance, efficiency, and reliability than a Z06, and reasonably, should expect a lot more.
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06-01-2008, 07:43 AM
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This is an interesting diversion. I can go down to Kragen and buy a rebuilt chevy v8 for under 2 grand.
Having said that, why is this relevant? If Porsche has a design flaw that runs over 11 years (IMS and RMS), don;t you think it is reasonable that they FIX THE D*** thing?
I love the Boxster but don't think we need to apologize for the arrogance or ignorance of the company.
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06-01-2008, 07:46 AM
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There are some very bright engineers in Stuttgart. They could fix this if they wanted to.
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06-01-2008, 07:58 AM
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06-01-2008, 09:35 AM
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My point is that like Porsche, GM charges big bucks for a factory crate motor.
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06-01-2008, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul
My point is that like Porsche, GM charges big bucks for a factory crate motor.
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Apparently not. See above.
Also, there are TONS of remanufactureres out there supplying chevy v8s for very little money.
Not so with the Boxster.
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06-01-2008, 01:52 PM
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One of the reasons we bought a Porsche was the fact that it's made in small numbers so it's rare in most parts of the US to see one like yours very often.
I suppose sooner or later like most other Porsche models, someone will produce a kit that will allow us to install one of the millions of really "impressive" and cheap Chevy V6s.
In regards to your pricing above, that is not for a Corvette motor but rather for a 4 door Chevy costing $20,000.
So if a $20,000 car's motor costs $5,000, then a $60,000 car's motor should cost $15,000???
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2001 Boxster original owner. I installed used motor at 89k.
1987 924S. 2002 996TT. PST-2
Owned and repaired Porsches since 1974. Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy.
Last edited by Paul; 06-01-2008 at 02:00 PM.
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06-01-2008, 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
One of the reasons we bought a Porsche was the fact that it's made in small numbers so it's rare in most parts of the US to see one like yours very often.
I suppose sooner or later like most other Porsche models, someone will produce a kit that will allow us to install one of the millions of really "impressive" and cheap Chevy V6s.
In regards to your pricing above, that is not for a Corvette motor but rather for a 4 door Chevy costing $20,000.
So if a $20,000 car's motor costs $5,000, then a $60,000 car's motor should cost $15,000???
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Actually Paul, the LS1 is a Corvette motor. It was introduced in the C5 in 1997 and has an alloy block and heads. It makes 345 BHP and 375 lbs of torque.
Nothing wrong with this motor, which weighs about what a Box motor weighs, and makes just a bit more HP for A LOT less money.
The point of all this is, if Porsche is going to make such a brittle motor, the least they could do is produce a cheaper replacement.
BTW-In the early 90s, I bought a Corvette C4 with a bad motor for $5K. My mechanic sourced a create motor from GM with 375 HP new, with warranty.
Cost to me. $5500 completely installed.
My brother still has the car, which runs like the day we put the motor in it, some 15 yrs. later.
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