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Old 05-19-2008, 07:19 AM   #1
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Me... 2001 Boxster 2.7 Bone Stock.... Him... same era Honda S2000 Bone Stock.

Who is faster? I won't race him on the street. Stupid and dangerous. But I would like to know how fast that Honda is...

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Me... 2001 Boxster 2.7 Bone Stock.... Him... same era Honda S2000 Bone Stock.

Who is faster? I won't race him on the street. Stupid and dangerous. But I would like to know how fast that Honda is...
You would have to define the track and assume the driver's are equal.

Are we talking drag race or twisty tight track?
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You live in Daytona? Isn't there some sort of race track facility near you??
Sign both cars up for the next open track day with timing. Best time of the day between you wins. Loser buys the steaks and beer.

Both cars are very quick and very close. The driver with the best skills will win.
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You live in Daytona? Isn't there some sort of race track facility near you??
Sign both cars up for the next open track day with timing. Best time of the day between you wins. Loser buys the steaks and beer.

Both cars are very quick and very close. The driver with the best skills will win.

Daytona International Speedway is here. As far as I know, they don't let anybody ride on the famous high banked turns of Daytona

They do have club days though, SCCA events. The closest thing we got going is the Bithlow Speedway, which is a .25 mile drag strip where you can pay a few bucks and "Race what you brung".

I honestly think if I were to drag race, I would probably lose slightly. My only hope would be a race track with turns, and that my PSM would get my through
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His S2000 will beat you in a straight line and if all things are equal will beat you on a circuit track as well. Of course things are never equal when it comes to driving ability so if you can drive better than him you could beat him on a circuit.
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^^ yups, what Adam said... The S2000 is more comparable to a Boxster S (986) in terms of its stock performance, than it is to a 2.7L 986...
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thats kinda what I thought. I never made claims that I didn't think his car was faster... but at the end of the day, he still has a Honda.. and I still have a Porsche.
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thats kinda what I thought. I never made claims that I didn't think his car was faster... but at the end of the day, he still has a Honda.. and I still have a Porsche.

Actually, at the end of the day you both have nice cars. Who cares which manufacturer made it.
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Yea s2k is faster.

It kinda sucks cause in club racing like I do, boxsters and boxster s's are classed together with s2000's...not fair
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Yea s2k is faster.

It kinda sucks cause in club racing like I do, boxsters and boxster s's are classed together with s2000's...not fair

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There different cars. An S2000 has more HP and goes fast in a straight line, but the Boxster could easily out handle him on a twisty track/road.
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There different cars. An S2000 has more HP and goes fast in a straight line, but the Boxster could easily out handle him on a twisty track/road.
I don't agree with you on that. The S2000 handles very well and if memory serves me correctly is significantly faster than a 986 2.7L boxster around this one twisty road called the "ring."
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Here is a comparison link for the two cars. They are very close but the 02 Base Boxster gets the nod. Three secs. faster on the 8 1/2 minute Nurburgring Nordschleife... very very close. Draw your own conclusions.
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Don't put any money on it!

Assuming both cars are stock and equal drivers:

In a straighline the S2000 is faster. The only contest where the Boxster might win is acceleration from a 10mph or 20mph where the Boxster's better low RPM torque might put you ahead.

In an autocross the S2000 is about 1-2 seconds faster (it is course dependent but the S2000 will probably win regardless of the course)

Track event - hey, what are you doing racing at an HPDE? Very stupid without a cage IMHO. S2000 probably wins here as well but I think the Boxster might have the legs in fast sweepers.

A 986S or a base 987 are probably more even matchups.

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Well, this list doesn't list the 2.7L 217hp boxster, but the 228 hp 986 boxster did lap the ring faster than the S2000 so I was wrong. They should be pretty close.

8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.62 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion") http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:22.85 147.49 km/h -- Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 260 PS/1349 kg, company test driver John Heinricy www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=true&bottom=0&gID=0&fID=0&tID=153640
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Audi S5, 354 PS/1718 kg (sport auto 01/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=147974
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360 PS/1566 kg (sport auto 04/05)
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25* -- 146.85 km/h –- 2007 BMW M5 Touring, 507 PS (*mfr.)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Jaguar XKR, 416 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 11/06)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Porsche 911 ST, Michael Eschmann, fastest car at Oldtmer Grand Prix
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h –- BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.1 - 145.98 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:28.93 145.69 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992) www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h – MTM VW Golf V GTI, 272 PS/1437 kg (sport auto Tuning 07),
8:30 --- 145.41 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.13 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.01 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto 04/03)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0si coupe, 265 PS/1408 kg (sport auto 08/06)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.34 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:34.6 - 144.00 km/h -- BMW M6 convertible (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.74 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.1 - 143.59 km/h -- Mercedes SL55 AMG roadster (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:36.42 143.60 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.42 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 PS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38.4 - 143.17 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/03)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h – Audi TT 2.0 TFSI, 200 PS/1322 kg (sport auto 02/07)
8:40* -- 142.62 km/h – Cadillac CTS, 304 PS/??? kg (*company test driver/Sports Car International)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40.30 142.62 km/h – Bentley Continental GT, 560 PS/2385 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
8:41 --- 142.34 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/99)
8:41 --- 142.34 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/99)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/01)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 PS/1495 kg (sport auto 07/99)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 PS/796 kg, (sport auto 11/00)
8:43 --- 141.80 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/00)
8:43.52 - 141.55 km/h -- Chevrolet HHR SS, 260 PS/1488 kg (Windng Raod 02/08)
8:44.83 141.30 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, 339 PS, automatic (Top Gear magazine)
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- 140.72 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)
8:48.25 140.39 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 285 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 07/98)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS/1461 kg (sport auto 11/98)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h – VW Golf V R32, 250 PS/1591 kg (sport auto 09/06),
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 PS/1600 kg (sport auto 04/98)
8:50* -- 139.93 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h -- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 05/02)
8:51* -- 139.66 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:52 --- 139.40 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 09/01)
8:52 --- 139.53 km/h -- VW Golf GTI DSG, 200 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 11/05)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- Opel Corsa OPC, 192 PS/1262 kg (sport auto 04/08)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:55 --- 134.58 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:58 --- 133.83 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/97)
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I'd wager at highway speeds, the 2.7 has an edge.
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Me... 2001 Boxster 2.7 Bone Stock.... Him... same era Honda S2000 Bone Stock.

Who is faster? I won't race him on the street. Stupid and dangerous. But I would like to know how fast that Honda is...
The Boxster is MUCH FASTER...

.... at getting the attention of chicks.
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I'd wager at highway speeds, the 2.7 has an edge.
Yep, The Box is geared pretty tall so it favors stretching it's legs a bit. The S2K is better down low; 0-60 launches and short, tight, 40 sec. Auto-x courses like the SCCA.
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Interesting . Sounds like you guys are saying the S2000 is a slightly better car. And it's definitely cheaper. So why don't we all have S2000s ? Just a thought. BTW, I think the boxster has a big edge in the looks department.
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Interesting . Sounds like you guys are saying the S2000 is a slightly better car. And it's definitely cheaper. So why don't we all have S2000s ? Just a thought. BTW, I think the boxster has a big edge in the looks department.

Faster? Yes. Better? No.

Personally, I wouldn't like the lack of torque in the S2000. I don't like it in my E46 BMW (2.5L I6) and I really wouldn't like it in the Honda (even less torque and higher up the RPM range.) IMHO, it would be fun at first, especially in an Auto-X, but I would grow tired of having to "rev the piss out of it" for normal driving.

BTW - The above comments on the S2000 being faster than the Box only apply to a stock base 986 (2.5 or 2.7.) I think it would be more of a drivers race in a 986 S or 987.

I would love to drive one in an Auto-X. I bet it would be a hoot (as is the Box.)

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