Friendly Office Rivalry...
 

Me... 2001 Boxster 2.7 Bone Stock.... Him... same era Honda S2000 Bone Stock.

Who is faster? I won't race him on the street. Stupid and dangerous. But I would like to know how fast that Honda is...

You would have to define the track and assume the driver's are equal.

Are we talking drag race or twisty tight track?

You live in Daytona? Isn't there some sort of race track facility near you?? :)
Sign both cars up for the next open track day with timing. Best time of the day between you wins. Loser buys the steaks and beer. :cheers:

Both cars are very quick and very close. The driver with the best skills will win.

Daytona International Speedway is here. As far as I know, they don't let anybody ride on the famous high banked turns of Daytona :(

They do have club days though, SCCA events. The closest thing we got going is the Bithlow Speedway, which is a .25 mile drag strip where you can pay a few bucks and "Race what you brung".

I honestly think if I were to drag race, I would probably lose slightly. My only hope would be a race track with turns, and that my PSM would get my through :D

His S2000 will beat you in a straight line and if all things are equal will beat you on a circuit track as well. Of course things are never equal when it comes to driving ability so if you can drive better than him you could beat him on a circuit.

^^ yups, what Adam said... The S2000 is more comparable to a Boxster S (986) in terms of its stock performance, than it is to a 2.7L 986...

thats kinda what I thought. I never made claims that I didn't think his car was faster... but at the end of the day, he still has a Honda.. and I still have a Porsche. ;)

Actually, at the end of the day you both have nice cars. Who cares which manufacturer made it. :)

Yea s2k is faster.

It kinda sucks cause in club racing like I do, boxsters and boxster s's are classed together with s2000's...not fair :confused:

Who told you life would be fair? If so, I would have been much better looking! :D

There different cars. An S2000 has more HP and goes fast in a straight line, but the Boxster could easily out handle him on a twisty track/road. :cheers:

I don't agree with you on that. The S2000 handles very well and if memory serves me correctly is significantly faster than a 986 2.7L boxster around this one twisty road called the "ring."

Here is a comparison link for the two cars. They are very close but the 02 Base Boxster gets the nod. Three secs. faster on the 8 1/2 minute Nurburgring Nordschleife... very very close. Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45ccc2d90f590&car2= 458a7dd85127d

Don't put any money on it!
 

Assuming both cars are stock and equal drivers:

In a straighline the S2000 is faster. The only contest where the Boxster might win is acceleration from a 10mph or 20mph where the Boxster's better low RPM torque might put you ahead.

In an autocross the S2000 is about 1-2 seconds faster (it is course dependent but the S2000 will probably win regardless of the course)

Track event - hey, what are you doing racing at an HPDE? Very stupid without a cage IMHO. S2000 probably wins here as well but I think the Boxster might have the legs in fast sweepers.

A 986S or a base 987 are probably more even matchups.

Regards,
Alan

Well, this list doesn't list the 2.7L 217hp boxster, but the 228 hp 986 boxster did lap the ring faster than the S2000 so I was wrong. They should be pretty close.

8:20 --- 148.32 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.62 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion") http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:22.85 147.49 km/h -- Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 260 PS/1349 kg, company test driver John Heinricy www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=true&bottom=0&gID=0&fID=0&tID=1 53640
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Audi S5, 354 PS/1718 kg (sport auto 01/08) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=147974
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360 PS/1566 kg (sport auto 04/05)
8:24 --- 147.14 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25* -- 146.85 km/h –- 2007 BMW M5 Touring, 507 PS (*mfr.)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Jaguar XKR, 416 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 11/06)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06)
8:25 --- 146.85 km/h –- Porsche 911 ST, Michael Eschmann, fastest car at Oldtmer Grand Prix
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h –- BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.56 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.98 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.1 - 145.98 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:28.93 145.69 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992) www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.69 km/h – MTM VW Golf V GTI, 272 PS/1437 kg (sport auto Tuning 07),
8:30 --- 145.41 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.13 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg,
8:31.42 145.01 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto 04/03)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0si coupe, 265 PS/1408 kg (sport auto 08/06)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.84 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.34 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.28 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:34.6 - 144.00 km/h -- BMW M6 convertible (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.00 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.74 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.59 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.1 - 143.59 km/h -- Mercedes SL55 AMG roadster (AutoBild sportscars 11/07)
8:36.42 143.60 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.44 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.42 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 PS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05),
8:38 --- 143.17 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38.4 - 143.17 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
8:39 --- 142.89 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/03)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h – Audi TT 2.0 TFSI, 200 PS/1322 kg (sport auto 02/07)
8:40* -- 142.62 km/h – Cadillac CTS, 304 PS/??? kg (*company test driver/Sports Car International)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40.30 142.62 km/h – Bentley Continental GT, 560 PS/2385 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
8:41 --- 142.34 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/99)
8:41 --- 142.34 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/99)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/01)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 PS/1495 kg (sport auto 07/99)
8:42 --- 142.07 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 PS/796 kg, (sport auto 11/00)
8:43 --- 141.80 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/00)
8:43.52 - 141.55 km/h -- Chevrolet HHR SS, 260 PS/1488 kg (Windng Raod 02/08)
8:44.83 141.30 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, 339 PS, automatic (Top Gear magazine)
8:46 --- 140.99 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- 140.72 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)
8:48.25 140.39 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 285 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 07/98)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS/1461 kg (sport auto 11/98)
8:49 --- 140.19 km/h – VW Golf V R32, 250 PS/1591 kg (sport auto 09/06),
8:50 --- 139.93 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 PS/1600 kg (sport auto 04/98)
8:50* -- 139.93 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h -- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 05/02)
8:51* -- 139.66 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.)
8:51 --- 139.66 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:52 --- 139.40 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 09/01)
8:52 --- 139.53 km/h -- VW Golf GTI DSG, 200 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 11/05)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- Opel Corsa OPC, 192 PS/1262 kg (sport auto 04/08)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)
8:54 --- 138.90 km/h -- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:55 --- 134.58 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:58 --- 133.83 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/97)

I'd wager at highway speeds, the 2.7 has an edge.

The Boxster is MUCH FASTER...

.... at getting the attention of chicks. :D

Yep, The Box is geared pretty tall so it favors stretching it's legs a bit. The S2K is better down low; 0-60 launches and short, tight, 40 sec. Auto-x courses like the SCCA.

Interesting . Sounds like you guys are saying the S2000 is a slightly better car. And it's definitely cheaper. So why don't we all have S2000s ? Just a thought. BTW, I think the boxster has a big edge in the looks department.

Faster? Yes. Better? No.

Personally, I wouldn't like the lack of torque in the S2000. I don't like it in my E46 BMW (2.5L I6) and I really wouldn't like it in the Honda (even less torque and higher up the RPM range.) IMHO, it would be fun at first, especially in an Auto-X, but I would grow tired of having to "rev the piss out of it" for normal driving.

BTW - The above comments on the S2000 being faster than the Box only apply to a stock base 986 (2.5 or 2.7.) I think it would be more of a drivers race in a 986 S or 987.

I would love to drive one in an Auto-X. I bet it would be a hoot (as is the Box.) :D

I Test drove a S2000 right before I drove my 986S and here is my review:

1. Speed wise in a straight line the S2000 is no where near as fast
2. The S handled much better (scared the crap out of the Honda guy)
3. Comfort wise you feel MUCH more cramped in the s2k

I'm not dogging the S2000 by any means it is a nice car but I dont think it closely compares the the S model, I also drove a 2.5 and it beats that but I think the 2.7 is its biggest rival.

MSRP of S2000 (no options)

$34,300

Boxster base

$45,800

Boxster S


$55,700

Corvette base

$46,100


Different cars, different prices.

Even if the S2000 is faster, the Boxster is still better looking. :D

Man, You gotta know how to handle this "friendly office rivalry"........It doesn't matter who's car is faster, or better in the turns etc. You shouldn't even be considering his challenge..........You've already won!!

You're driving the Porsche.

Man, no offence, but comments like this really make me cringe.

**Climbs on soap box**
Both are great handling, quick cars. I can't imagine actually thinking I have "won" simply because of the car I drive. Especially since there are many cars that are quicker, or handle better, or are more exclusive (or all three) than a Boxster.

When you hear people stereotype Porsche owners, it's hard to argue with them with comments like that.
**Steps back down**

I agree with you Rob. I see this elitism on here all the time and it makes my cringe too. I guess it would be naive to think that all Porsche owners are true enthusiasts. Some just care about what badge is on the hood and everything else comes second. In fact I think there is a term for it. People call them "badge snobs."

Heh Heh, For the love of God, you guys gotta loosen up.

Hopefully what I said did not come across too offensively. I tried to lighten it up with the "soap box" comment.

Either way, I'm do my best to "loosen up" ...... :dance: ......

:cheers:

Rob, No offense taken here. Sometimes It's hard to tell when people are kidding in an email, as I was doing. Obviously my humor didn't read through very well.

Geez Adam, you really hurt my feelings by calling me a "Badge Snob". :p

How about my 3.2 box vs my brother's 2000 model s2000? we havent had a safe place to run them in brotherly competition. :D

Couper, I don't mean to single you out, but I think this whole I'm better than you because I drive a Porsche mentality stinks. I'm sure you were just "joking" around, but it just perpetuates the public's perception that P-car owners are snobs. Why fall into that stereotype and be that "guy?" S2000 owners might very well have scoped out a boxster but went with the Honda instead for various reasons. Engine reliability comes to mind. I hear honda engines are pretty reliable and I think it's cool that they can sqeeze 240 hp out of 2.0L or 2.2L. Again, don't take it personally I've just seen this attitude on this and other boards and I think it needs to be pointed out. I know that I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll just leave it at that.

Brimech the S will smoke him, dont waste $4 in gas haha, actually do i'm curious how bad :p

First if your going to race him and your "bone stock" you need to at least de snorkel and pop a k&n filter in there. You'll still be "bone stock" hehe :matchup:

Adam, I have to admitt I was very shocked by your response to my post. After all, this is a Porsche Boxster Forum for Porsche Boxster Owners. If we're going to be "Badge Snobs" this is the one Safe Haven where we should be able to do it .........or so I thought. That's probably why you tend to see other people displaying this type of attitude here. It's our own little roost where we can crow. I never said I was better then anyone else, and I certainly know that I'm not. I do feel that P-cars are head and shoulders above the majority of manufactures out there when it comes to design, engineering, and heritage. I'm sure you feel the same way.
I understand your frustration about Porsche owners having that snobby image, but I'm not saying this in public, I'm saying it here on 986 forum. Really, I'm not a snobby guy. I'll never forget a joke I heard when I was a kid. It goes, What's the difference between a Porcupine and a Porsche?? Answer: The Porsche has it's prick on the inside. Lol. Well here I am 30 years later and now I own one. (Porsche not a Porcupine)
Bottom line, That "snob Image" about us p-car owners might exsist, but I have only met a VERY FEW that live up to that image. I think it's more about people jumping to conclusions about us, or being a little jealous of us. I'm sure it's the same with BMW and Mercedes owners as well. Sorry I got you upset over the remark. I will try to be more politically correct in the future. No hard feelings :cheers:
PS, Now I've beat that horse to death.

To beat the horse one last time...

I don't think anyone has gotten upset, they are just mentioning that you shouldn't go around saying, "Well, it's a Porsche ...(blah blah)". I think it was just a friendly reminder to not go around saying that, because when you do in public, it only promotes the "snobby image."

I like the porcupine thing! :cheers:

OK, OK, now lets all sing kumbaya. Back to original post, I say run S2000. Who cares what version of Boxster you have, run the guy.
I know people have posted saying the S2000 has the HP but remember they make that by revving the piss out of that 4 banger. They also have the engine high over the front wheels. Fellow Boxster owners, do you know why Porsche hasn't put a turbo on or why the power is always lagging behind the 911? Because their protecting their "number 1". They know that if power was equaled the Boxster would out perform it's older (ass heavy) brother. With that in mind I don't see how anyone can think the S2000 is better? Are you also saying it's better than a 911? I can't believe I'm asking that question in this forum.
I don't care what people say, the Boxster will out perform the Honda. Yea, it will probably come down to the driver but the Boxster will come out ahead.
Just because of this Thread I'm going to go out this weekend and go Honda hunting and prove to myself that my Boxster will walk all over the S2000.

P.S. By saying "It's a Porsche" isn't necessarily being a snob, it's respecting and acknowledging the research, development and racing heritage that has gone into these automobiles. These cars are made to do one thing, and do it well and that's to go fast and handle the road like it was on rails.

P.S. By saying "It's a Porsche" isn't necessarily being a snob, it's acknowledging the research, development and racing heritage that has gone into these automobiles. These cars are made to one thing, and do it well and that's to go fast and handle the road like it was on rails.[/QUOTE]


most times when people say its a Porsche they are in fact being snobs lol, a boxster is not any better then an s2000, honestly the honda is actually built better better quality then the box and will probably beat u on the track no matter what kinda track it is, a lot of people really undervalue them...my friend has beat me a few times in his...it also depend on what your driving abilities are like...and I have to say mine are pretty good, I've been racing cars since i was 15 1/2 and i still got beat haha

btw i've owned an s2000 before and i loved it so to me these two cars are very similar in performance its just that some people prefer to drive a boxster vs a honda for whatever reason...personally i think boxsters look better then the s2000 which is why i decided to buy it...not because its a "porsche"

I would feel quite happy with an S2000 but I dont think I would fit. If given the choice between a new S2000 and used Boxster I would probably go with the S2000, but if both were used I'd take the Boxster. It's not all about speed with me. Let's face it the boxster is definitely not the fastest car on the road, but it's plenty fast for me. And the boxster also looks much better IMO.

BTW I don't think the previous poster was being a snob. He simply stated that Porsche has a reputation of engineering excellent. Therefore the comment "you are driving a Porsche". I like my Porsche cause of it's reputation in the sports car arena. If I wanted a family sedan I absolutely wouldn't pick Porsche.

Interestingly, I can pretty much tell how these posts will go, having seen so many of them.

Hey, its only a car. :D

Having said that, IMHO, the only important thing to reiterate here is, if you are going to run the guy, do that on the track.

Street racing is simply proof of one's stupidity. :barf:

All the other stuff, is just stuff! :cheers:

Brucelee,

Thanks for giving us 986 guys a forum to communicate across our limited community. I've had so many questions answered and with my mechanical background hope I've given as much advise. All for the cost of my Internet hook-up, thank you!! :cheers:

Dave