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Old 04-01-2008, 11:42 AM   #1
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Hmm....I might disagree on negotiating first and checking out 2nd.

There's two problems with that approach.
1- You might not be so impressed with car when you see it.
2-They may not take your offers as seriously as if you put face time into it.

This is what I ALWAYS do:
I call and say "yeah how's it going I'm calling about this car". Ask all the basic questions that you should know before seeing it. Car history, accidents, repairs, dents, dings, tires, etc. Ask them to give you a 1-10 scale of 10 being right off the boat new. If you like what you hear take the trip but LEAVE THE WALLET AND CHECKBOOK AT HOME! Salesmen are very very good. You'll go in just to see it and once you are in fro the test drive you are as good as closed.
Never never ever ever ever make a deal with a salesmen on your first trip to the dealer. NEVER!!!
Check out the car drive it, see if you like it and go right back home without even leaving a deposit and don't tell them "I'll call you on Friday". Tell them you have to talk it over with your wife since she is the CFO of the house. Don't make an appointment of when you will speak again. But be friendly to the sales guy and DON'T let them sit you down "at the table". If they try to get you to sit down run out of there! Sitting at the table is just like giving them thousands of dollars.]
Basically the trip to the dealership is for your knowledge and piece of mind regarding the condition of the car and NOT for any manner of negotiating.


Wait a few days. See if they call you first. If they don't call you then make a call and say "I talked to my wife and she's not crazy about buying a Porsche in this economy but I think I can sway her". Then make a really lowball offer and this is the important part: DON'T SAY ANOTHER WORD AFTER YOU NAME THE PRICE.
Wait to see what they say. If they say no or I have to talk to the manager, say"Ok, let me know". When they call back with the a higher counter offer say "well let me run it my wife". Wait a day to go by. Then call back with a marginally higher offer than your initial offer. In other words you are basically ignoring their counter offer. Keep at it with "I have to check with my wife" until they call you back with a yes or an offer that is SLIGHTLY more than your previous offer. If they say "no we can't do it for that price" and they don't offer to check with manager then just say "Alright thanks anyway" and hang up. That will really hurt them and they will go back to their desks thinking about the missed sale. See if they call you back, I bet you they do. A good salesmen will never walk away from a deal on price when you are at least close on price. Certainly not in this economy.

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Good suggestion on faxing the outdoor the price. This can be negotiated as well.
I had to recently walk out of a deal because they tried to tack on a $800 dealer fee at the last minute, literraly. My folks were about to sign when I said "what's that for?" and they said "dealer fee, everyone pays it". And I said "????what do my folks get for that"? and they're like "uh sorry that can't be negotiated". To which I respond "so in other words they don't get anything for that? ok Have a nice day". They all looked at me with jaws open as we walked right out and drove away.
The next day a really junior sales guy was put on grovel duty and said "ok we will drop the dealer fee". I was inclined to bust balls and say "well since last night I saw another car this morning and I'm not so crazy about the price we agree to".
But I had to leave Florida that day. But you get the point. Don't let them add in any extra fees at the end for things you aren't getting something for.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:13 PM   #2
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Hmm....I might disagree on negotiating first and checking out 2nd.
This is a good point - negotiating over phone/email works best with new cars. I forgot we were talking about a used car.

I have seen pictures of used cars that looked incredible both inside and out. Then when I saw the car in person, it was below average. Basically, pictures lie. And then there was the Boxster I test drove that looked great - but the interior smelled so bad I couldn't bear to drive it. Make sure this is a car that doesn't have any of those issues before you fall in love with it. As PL said, leave the checkbook at home and use the wife as "bad cop".

One more thing, get the wholesale/retail value for this car from vmrintl.com and galves.com (small fee). They generally give the lowest (and most accurate) values IMO. Print these out and use them as leverage in your negotiation.
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:32 PM   #3
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I agree on seeing the car first.

And test driving and looking and test driving some more. And then negotiating.

During my search I went to see many cars. At least 20.

You need to see the car in good daylight and if interested test drive it more than once at different times.

It takes allot of effort to find the right car.

for example:

One 05 with 5000 miles looked great in the pictures (as expected) and I was excited. I test drove it and found that there were numerous large scratches on the back rear panels.

Another 06 with less than 10000 miles was had long scratches on the hood.

Another 05 with 20K miles had the most worn out controls I have ever seen.

I finally bought on an 05 with 39000 miles. Yes, the most miles of any car I test drove. It does not have one scratch on it. Not one. Honest.

The interior is impeccable. My wife was is a interior designer type can't believe the way the car looks.

The only issue is a very slightly warped spoiler which will be replaced soon by the dealer at no cost to me.


Take your time, let them know you are seriously searching and ready to buy the right car at the right price.

then pull the trigger when you are ready and have fun.
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Old 04-02-2008, 07:29 AM   #4
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Thanks guys! And I'll use the husband as the bad cop...as I am a female. Am getting my list of questions ready for the dealer so I can weed out any potential problems before I trek up there!

Thanks again for all the help!

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Old 04-02-2008, 09:35 AM   #5
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Checkout this one on craigslist in NH. Red 02 Boxster S 5500 mi $27749.00!! sale-591528063@craigslist.org May be gone , but maybe not.
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For another price comparison, I bought a midnight blue 2003 S with 3400 (yes, I typed that correctly) miles for $30K. It wasn't CPO, but $40K definitely sounds steep.
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:15 AM   #7
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3400? do you know anything about the previous owner?
Was it Jerry Seinfeld? too busy with his other 69 cars?
Did you have PPI performed? Sometimes mileage that low can work against you.
I'm sure you would have no trouble getting an extended warrant from warranty direct. They perform an inspection before they insure. maybe you can kill two birds with one stone there.
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