Driving Impressions: Lower Stress Bar

[geoff]

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask. How much does the stress bar weigh? Both Kirk's and Pedro's. Are these things small enough that the weight is insignificant?

[edevlin]

Sounds great, thanks for the R&D, I put my order in for a full kit,

Ed

[Franco]

Originally Posted by geoff

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask. How much does the stress bar weigh? Both Kirk's and Pedro's. Are these things small enough that the weight is insignificant?

Hi, I'd say a cup of coffee

[geoff]

Originally Posted by Franco

Hi, I'd say a cup of coffee

Would that be a tall or grande?

So the stress bar weighs less than a pound (or half kilogram for those outside the US)?

[Franco]

Originally Posted by geoff

Would that be a tall or grande?

So the stress bar weighs less than a pound (or half kilogram for those outside the US)?

HI, I figured that was going to be your next Question

[Kirk]

Originally Posted by geoff

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, so I'll ask. How much does the stress bar weigh? Both Kirk's and Pedro's. Are these things small enough that the weight is insignificant?

If this is a gotta know question I can take them off my car and measure them. I was a bit anxious when the latest iteration came in and installed them right away, so I didn't get a chance to weigh them first.

I did weigh the 2nd iteration bars though and they were really light - less than half a pound each, but those were smaller diameter aluminum bars. The latest iteration that is the subject of the group buy has a steel main bar and larger aluminum side bars, so it's definitely heavier, but still under three pounds. In my book that would count as insignificant.

Kirk

[geoff]

Originally Posted by Kirk

If this is a gotta know question I can take them off my car and measure them. I was a bit anxious when the latest iteration came in and installed them right away, so I didn't get a chance to weigh them first.

I did weigh the 2nd iteration bars though and they were really light - less than half a pound each, but those were smaller diameter aluminum bars. The latest iteration that is the subject of the group buy has a steel main bar and larger aluminum side bars, so it's definitely heavier, but still under three pounds. In my book that would count as insignificant.

Kirk

Thanks Kirk (and Franco) - insignificant is certainly a fair answer. I was just trying to get a feel for whether there's any weight impact or not.

[HB.]

I finally got mine installed today Too bad it's raining

[Lil bastard]

Is there any data supporting the addition of the side bars? I can see the necessity of the lower stress bar side-to-side (Camber), but there is already significant bracing against fore/aft (Caster) movement.

I've dismantled the rear suspension when I did my tranny work and personally, these side bars appear to be overkill in all but the most extreme track use (I do not incl. Auto-X or DEs).

I have the Mantisport 'Ernie' bar and noticed improvement (not extreme or significant, but definitely improved), + Fr/Rr. Strut Tower braces.

Can someone show me some data that this area requires additional bracing, because I'm not convinced that the side bars are a necessity, or even a positive addition. There's no benefit to over-strengthening something which is already strong enough to do the job.

[insite]

Originally Posted by Lil bastard

Is there any data supporting the addition of the side bars? I can see the necessity of the lower stress bar side-to-side (Camber), but there is already significant bracing against fore/aft (Caster) movement.

I've dismantled the rear suspension when I did my tranny work and personally, these side bars appear to be overkill in all but the most extreme track use (I do not incl. Auto-X or DEs).

I have the Mantisport 'Ernie' bar and noticed improvement (not extreme or significant, but definitely improved), + Fr/Rr. Strut Tower braces.

Can someone show me some data that this area requires additional bracing, because I'm not convinced that the side bars are a necessity, or even a positive addition. There's no benefit to over-strengthening something which is already strong enough to do the job.

it is my opinion (as an engineer) that the side bars are not necessary. anti-squat is adequately addressed by the diagonal links. longitudinal flex at that portion of the subframe is tensile and is adequately addressed by the shear plate.

the reason the cross brace (ernie bar) is so helpful is because there are compressive forces between the left and right halves of the subframe that a shear plate cannot resist. because of this, the distance between the lower control arms was actually dynamic under hard cornering loads. the stress bar hard locates the lower control arms (and in turn, camber), picking up where the shear plate leaves off.

[Lil bastard]

@insite - Thanks for the eloquent explanation. You lend credence to, if not confirming outright, my suspicion that these side bars are a redundancy.

Lord knows, I'm not against spending money on improvements. But, I don't wanna do so on things which offer no real benefit.