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michael_J_brown 05-30-2017 09:03 AM

What's your favorite polish?
 
Mine is Zaino Z2 Pro. I've tried so many others but noting comes close to this.

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jakeru 05-30-2017 10:55 PM

Are you sure you're talking about a "polish" here, and not a last step product, like a sealant or wax?

My newest favorite polish is Meguiars M205. Like any other proper "polish", you'd use it before applying a last step product, such as a sealant or wax. The reason I like it is it goes really well with M100 compound, which is my favorite compound, by far. Keeps the paint and pad nice and cool when applying, and I like how I can stop at any time without needing to worry about "breaking down" the abrasive. The M100 is also very aggressive, enough to get good results applying by hand even, while leaving behind a very high quality surface that sometimes doesn't even need a 2nd/polish step afterward.

If you're talking about last step products, I made the switch a few years ago from carbuna-style waxes to polymer sealants recently, and main thing I noticed and appreciated was removal was a bit easier. Might last a tad bit longer also, but hard to say. I've been using Menzerna power lock recently.

Recently, I've become more of a fan of "quick wax" style products, due to ease of application. They don't last that long, but super easy to boost the protection after a car wash. I've been using Duragloss Aquawax for that, but have a gallon of some sort of a bulk Meguiars quick quick wax product to refill that bottle with once it runs out. The Aquawax smells great, a bit reminiscient of sun block. Makes drying off the car really fast too, but I prefer to apply it after car is mostly dried, for best protection.

The key benefit to the quick wax style products is you can spray them all over plastic and rubber, and in crevices, etc without worry of leaving behind any noticeable residue. :)

particlewave 05-30-2017 11:03 PM

That's easy.
Nicolaus Copernicus.

Frodo 05-31-2017 05:05 AM

+1 on Aquawax. Quick, easy, and adds some pop.
Haven't tried the other products discussed, so can't comment on them. Been tempted for years to try Zaino...but have been happy with what I've been using so haven't so far.

Slate 01 05-31-2017 06:14 AM

Zaino only on my vehicles. Try the Leather In a Bottle as well, awesome products.

j.fro 05-31-2017 06:31 AM

Cool topic!
For jobs that take a more aggressive polish, I've had great success with the Griots polishes numbered 1-4, with #3 being the best all-around compound. For a less aggressive polish, I've liked the P21S Gloss-enhancing Paintwork Cleanser.
For a final wax on a daily driver, Meguires NXT does a nice job of staying shinny and on the car for a long time.
For final wax/ deepest shine on something that doesn't see much rain, P21S Carnuba works great.

Fintro11 05-31-2017 07:21 AM

I clay bared the car and used some of meguiers ultimate liquid wax. I am happy with it.http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1496240480.jpg
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paulofto 05-31-2017 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 538990)
That's easy.
Nicolaus Copernicus.

I kinda like Chopin myself.

Oldcarguy 05-31-2017 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fintro11 (Post 539021)
I clay bared the car and used some of meguiers ultimate liquid wax. I am happy with it.

+1 on Meguiers Ultimate paste or liquid as a finish sealer after a clay pass. We use it for the 986, the S5, the Explo and the R1100s. Griots Quick Shine for in between touch ups and clay lube.

Fintro11 05-31-2017 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcarguy (Post 539084)
+1 on Meguiers Ultimate paste or liquid as a finish sealer after a clay pass. We use it for the 986, the S5, the Explo and the R1100s. Griots Quick Shine for in between touch ups and clay lube.



I'm in love with the meguiers ultimate quick detail

Dr. Acula 05-31-2017 10:57 PM

Pinnacle Souveran paste with Pinnacle Crystal Mist spray has worked better than anything else I've ever tried. Easiest wax ever, lasts forever, shines like a star.

jakeru 06-08-2017 11:13 PM

I just polished my Boxster's hardtop, before putting it away for the top-down season.

Step 1 - wash
Step 2 - clay bar
Step 3 - tape
Step 4 - meguiars M100 compound - (this does the heavy lifting of the paintwork correction - eliminating all scratches)
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Step 4 - meguiars m205 polish (this gets rid of haze visible in certain lighting conditions)
Step 5 - menzerna power-lock sealant
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Result - it's more perfect than most cars are when brand new! No scratches, no haze. Crazy "baby bottom smooth" feel when touched, and water beading action.

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Someday, I'll do the whole car. :D

That986 06-08-2017 11:35 PM

Swissvax....

algiorda 06-09-2017 06:31 AM

It's pretty interesting how almost each post recommends a different product. What do you think is the common ingredients which make one product stand out over another?

I see some folks swear by Carnuba and others not so much. I personally like the Maguire's products and agree on the quick detailer is one of my favorites.

That986 06-09-2017 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by algiorda (Post 540010)
It's pretty interesting how almost each post recommends a different product. What do you think is the common ingredients which make one product stand out over another?

I see some folks swear by Carnuba and others not so much. I personally like the Maguire's products and agree on the quick detailer is one of my favorites.

Because Swissvax made my old car look like this and win awards......

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...ps8ot9u2q0.jpg

algiorda 06-09-2017 08:34 AM

Whoa, that is an amazing finish! Good lord that looks sweet!

That986 06-09-2017 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by algiorda (Post 540037)
Whoa, that is an amazing finish! Good lord that looks sweet!

And 80% OEM paint.

algiorda 06-09-2017 08:39 AM

Which Discovery kit did you use? Onyx, Mirage, Concorso, or Crystal Rock?

Pretty pricey stuff:
Swissvax.us: Collections & Kits

That986 06-09-2017 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by algiorda (Post 540040)
Which Discovery kit did you use? Onyx, Mirage, Concorso, or Crystal Rock?

Pretty pricey stuff:
Swissvax.us: Collections & Kits

Onyx as an everyday wax and in winter topped up with Shield. In that pic it was finished with Best of Show.

I still use Swissvax now on my wrapped 986 in the form of Opaque.

Oldcarguy 06-18-2017 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by algiorda (Post 540010)
It's pretty interesting how almost each post recommends a different product. What do you think is the common ingredients which make one product stand out over another?

I see some folks swear by Carnuba and others not so much. I personally like the Maguire's products and agree on the quick detailer is one of my favorites.

Maguiar's Ultimate followed by Groits Speed Shine in the pic below. Might try Maguiars Quick Detailer after I run out of Speed Shine. Was a big carnuba fan before the full synthetic polymer / hydrophobics came out. Really like the fact that the syn polymer final coats leave no white residue on black parts. Also tried several high end boutique brands throughout the years (decades :eek:) but never saw any advantage over the mainstream stuff. Car finish care products are like oil, everyone has their personal favorite.
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boxxster 06-18-2017 09:30 PM

95% of your paints appearance is how well you prep it. Claying, compounding, polishing etc. The other 5% is the wax/sealant you put on. Keep that in mind before you spend a ton of money on a boutique wax.

rick3000 06-19-2017 12:38 AM

It should be a crime, but I have never polished my 986. It never really needed it until now, but the swirls are really starting to bother me, so I am planning to do a multi-day detail, including paint correction. I have chosen to top the sealant with a coat of Collinite 845 wax, which seems to be a favorite among detailers. In the past I have used NXT 2.0 liquid wax, which provides a nice shine, but doesn't last very long. I will report back once I finish!

Perfectlap 06-19-2017 07:28 PM

Clay bar, and a decent swirl remover will make any polish and wax like Turtle Wax from Wal-Mart look nearly identical to any overpriced boutique brand multi step product line.
The only caveat is the amount of carnauba in your wax. But even that is a stretch because a well maintained surface does not need all that much carnauba your basic retail wax will git er done. What you should be spending your money on is the highest quality towels that you can get your hands on to keep the swirls and clear coat wear to a minimum.

Everyone has their favorite brands and products for ease of use and durability myself included. But don't buy into the hype of expensive vs cheap retail. It takes an extremely well trained eye to tell a Turtle Wax car from a Zaino car (just as an example) if both have had the same prep. Believe me (hmmm who says that a lot?) I have tried them all, the "core" ingredients are nearly the same in all no matter the price. There are a few products that do have some proprietary ingredients but we're talking a handful in a sea of hundreds of products.

paulb 06-19-2017 07:46 PM

I had to do paint correction on swirled oxidised water spotted dull paint this spring & am really happy with my results. I basically used griots complete coumpound & a porter cable dual action polisher for correction & then klasse all in one paint sealant topped with p21s carnuba wax. after that work when it gets dirty a little water & meguires car wash soap & it looks as good as the day I did all the work

Porsche paint can apparently be pretty tricky.

If your interested detail & before/after pics of my project can be found here

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/108548-help-me-fix-my-black-2004-porsche-paint-pictures.html

rick3000 06-19-2017 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 541344)
What you should be spending your money on is the highest quality towels that you can get your hands on to keep the swirls and clear coat wear to a minimum.

100% Agree, although I don't think a towel will wear clear coat.

If you are using anything other than microfiber, stop right now and go buy some microfiber towels. I recently discovered The Rag Company (no affiliation), their microfiber is much more reasonably priced than other car care stores, and the quality is top notch. I have spent more than I care to admit buying microfiber towels, but I think it makes a big difference. Also, never mix wheel/engine towels and drying/paint towels.

Fintro11 06-20-2017 12:08 AM

I don't even touch the paint while drying anymore, $25 Costco mini leaf blower :)

Perfectlap 06-21-2017 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick3000 (Post 541357)
100% Agree, although I don't think a towel will wear clear coat..

A brand new right out of the bag microfiber towel?
Indeed it will not swirl the clear coat.

The problem is that those prickly hooks are extremely stubborn at releasing what they pick up once soiled. The reality is that 99% of auto store microfiber towels are nothing more than rebranded janitorial towels used to clean floors. That is insane overkill for a well maintained surface like an enthusiast car.
There are microfiber towels specifically made for expensive car paints, like the Griot's Garage high loft green towels. My experience is that a quality detailing towel is rarely sold for less than $4-5 per towel. If it comes in 40 pack for $20 at Costco or Wal-Mart don't use these more than once in the paint unless you run them at least 3 times in the wash on the hot setting with a very aggressive detergent.

michael_J_brown 07-20-2017 10:27 PM

Excellent tips!

Paul 07-21-2017 02:48 PM

Anything that causes beading is bad, IMO, you want the rain to flow smoothly off the car to avoid spotting. I never wax a car.

boxxster 07-21-2017 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 544879)
Anything that causes beading is bad, IMO, you want the rain to flow smoothly off the car to avoid spotting. I never wax a car.

You're kidding right?

Paul 07-21-2017 02:57 PM

Not at all, even Mequairs tried to convince people, but no one listens.

Paul 07-21-2017 03:02 PM

You want the effect on the top of this hood.

http://www.meguiars.co.uk/meguiars-tech-what-is-water-beading/

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boxxster 07-21-2017 04:09 PM

Wax/sealant makes your car:

-look nicer
-easier to clean (dirt/dust sticks less)
-easier to dry (water blows right off with a blower)
-more resistant to bird poop and hard water etching
-more resistant to contamination (iron/brake dust and sap won't bond as easily)

Why you would not want any of these things is beyond me. But hey, its your car.

Paul 07-21-2017 04:15 PM

Has worked on hundreds of cars I've owned since the 60's.

com3dorm3 07-22-2017 10:08 AM

Do products like the Aquawax (which i like for the ease of application) protect the clearcoat against UV / sun damage?
Or are the benefits mostly about the appearance?

My wagon stays a portion of the day in the sun and I'd like to protect its paint as much as possible.

MyCeratorLife 07-23-2017 08:34 AM

Rejex !!!! :-o
 
So all of my friends with supercars and classics use this stuff... I found it through my Porsche mechanic. I find it to be hands down the best product I have ever used on a car's paint. I have waxed a lot of cars in my lifetime. My dad was a wholesaler when I was growing up... Anyways, the whole group of guys in my area who actually wax our own cars use this stuff... Just wanted to put it out there.

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BYprodriver 07-23-2017 10:21 AM

Has anyone tried a ceramic wax treatment ?

Paul 07-23-2017 02:57 PM

Amazon reviewers report Rejex allows water to flow in sheets off the car instead of beading like wax does, almost like RainX on a windshield.

algiorda 07-23-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 545045)
Amazon reviewers report Rejex allows water to flow in sheets off the car instead of beading like wax does, almost like RainX on a windshield.

Is that a good thing?

Also, it says to remove surface grime and Oxidation. What's best to use to remove that?

rick3000 07-23-2017 04:15 PM

I think there is some confusion in this thread over the correct terms for different types of paint correction and care products. A quick run down:

Correction
Compounds are used to correct heavy scratches and swirls
Polish is used to correct light scratches and swirls, and after a compound to remove an residual haze
Glazes are temporary fillers that mask paint defects like scratches, but do not last very long and do not resolve the underlying issue of a scratch or swirl.
Clay is used to remove contaminates imbedded in the paint, it is an abrasive and should only be used when necessary. If you keep the car protected with sealant and/or wax, you should not have to clay every often.

All In One's
Cleaner Waxes, or All In One types products are have some mild polish in them to remove light defects and leave behind a layer of protection. They work reasonably well, they are kind of like all-season tires okay for most, not the best at anything.

Protection
Sealant is normally a polymer, which is longer lasting than wax, but does not shine as much.
Wax is used to add shine, but does not last very long.
*A lot of people put wax over a sealant to get the advantages of both, both provide some UV protection. The longevity of sealant and wax depends on the conditions (sun, rain, etc).
Coatings are a relatively new development, and permanently adhere to the clear coat (at least for several years). Coatings primarily add protection and can change the way water reacts with the surface of the paint, for instance causing it to bead or sheet. You can put sealant and wax over a coating. There are different types of coatings, like ceramic or "glass". The top layer will dictate the hydrophobic properties of the paint, so if you put sealant or wax on a coating you will lose those properties until the sealant or wax wears away.

Temporary Protection/Other
Spray Wax can be used in between waxing to add some extra shine. It does not have the same protective ability as a coat of wax, but can help "boost" an existing coat of wax and extend its life. I use spray wax to lubricate the paint when drying it after a wash to add shine, and avoid grinding any residual dirt into the paint.
Instant Detailer is basically expensive water, and is used to lubricate the paint when spot removing something. I just use spray wax instead.

Hydrophobic Properties
Most people want beading because they know what that is, and think it is the best. Sheeting is actually better, because it will cause the water to roll off the paint instead of sitting on the paint as a bead, then evaporate leaving a water spot (unless you are using filtered water).


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