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Originally Posted by Nine8Six
I think most of you folks would have a shock coming to China. Zero weapons here, not only banned hard but absolutely no love or wish for them or anything that resemble or is engineered to terminate life for that same matter *total peace*.
The cops don't even have guns on them; responding officers, traffic police, the whole lot are gun-less. Does it make it more dangerous or risky? Absolutely not, safest country you can be in to be honest, anywhere, 24/7, public places, around the clock, anywhere really.
Do China have armed swat teams and special ops? of course they do, although deployed once or twice per year and probably just for training & show-off (e.g. during a major event, parade, terrorism prevention, etc).
ps: a rare incident happened only a few weeks ago where an 57 y/old chap was waving a long knife in public, he did not comply, tried to ran and they had no choice to shoot him in a leg with a rubber bullet. That news made country-wide 'major' shame on the police force for doing so, the 'boo hoo' was everywhere. Not sure they will ever attempt something like this ever again, it went really wrong for cops lol
Anyway... thought I'd share how this guns and personal security thing pans out in another place of the world
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Do you wonder, (i do) if China would have a better record vis-a-vis human rights violations, if their citizenry were armed? I'm sorry, but generally speaking, China is a bad example to emulate for something like this.
But I think there's still soone meat on that bone that we can gnaw on.
I think there's a culture problem in America, too. In the last 50 years or so, we've gone from a country where most of the pickup trucks in the high school parking lot carried a loaded shotgun in the rack, yet there were very few incidents, to a country where guns are prohibited nearly everywhere, and we have shootings daily. Again..... it seems to be a culture problem, not a gun problem.
But let's look further into the china comparison. Let's say it was determined that we are going to "hard ban" guns, as you described? Picture that for a moment. You're going to need a method of gathering them all up. And where will they start? Of course: the law-abiding folks. The "bad guys" will become more brazen, because they'll recognize they're the only ones still armed. But we'll spend a fortune prosecuting as criminals, those citizens who decide to lie and keep a gun for protection. We criminalize the good guys, then. But worse? We start a revolution. Because trust me when I tell you that most of the mid-west and the other red states will say "come pry this gun from my cold dead fingers".
I can think of another country that went around and collected their citizens guns..... that whole thing ended in concentration camps.
I'm sorry, for better or worse, guns are here to stay in America.
That doesn't mean we can't find meaningful ways to regulate them. But that's swatting at the leaves: we need to cut down the problem at the trunk.
As Americans, we must ask ourselves: what is different in society from 50 or 75 years ago, when shootings almost never happened? This is a conversation that'll very quickly become inflamed and personal. But nothing good is ever easy. Let's start at the very basic unit of American society: the family. What is different now than it was then? How about at school?
I think we can learn some things we probably don't really want to know.... but must. If we're just willing to ask the hard questions and answer them honestly.
But asking today's Americans to "dig deep", to be honest with themselves even if it hurts, to actually look at truth, instead of "my truth, your truth", yeaaaahhhh........ not gonna happen either.
We're on a train that's run out of tracks. It's only a matter of time before it crashes catastrophically.
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