Neil was kind enough to provide a data point. If others have conflicting data it would be helpful(as Neil requested) if they post it.
The value of Neil's work is that it provides video data. It may be imperfect but
afaik it is the best video+dyno data in the public domain.
If we are to discuss the issue effectively and helpfully it seems important to distinguish between published data and anecdotes.
The anecdotes are interesting but....