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jaykay 09-07-2018 08:19 AM

GT3 Drop Link Turnbuckle length
 
If it is not too much trouble can those with a GT3 front bar and adjustable drop links shoot me a link length dimension....when convenient of course. Also turnbuckle length would be great. A simple design type like Tarret would be best.

steved0x 09-07-2018 10:27 AM

I am going to put my car on jackstands tonight or tomorrow morning for a brake flush, so I will be happy to measure it for you if nobody else has got it to you by then.

Are these the measurements you are looking for?

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1536344801.jpg

Or are you looking for the amount of threads showing on each end? I can tell you it is only a few but I can try to get a closeup picture.

Stroked & Blown 09-07-2018 01:30 PM

You may want to contact Insite - If I recall correctly, he had part numbers for off-the-shelf hardware to build your own drop links.

jaykay 09-07-2018 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 578842)
I am going to put my car on jackstands tonight or tomorrow morning for a brake flush, so I will be happy to measure it for you if nobody else has got it to you by then.

Are these the measurements you are looking for?

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1536344801.jpg

Or are you looking for the amount of threads showing on each end? I can tell you it is only a few but I can try to get a closeup picture.

Thank you very much sir....your timing is perfect.

Yes, your mark-ups are good. Even eye in case your link is set up very asymmetric one end vs. the other.

Is my imagination or is the barrel section a larger diameter than the rears??

jaykay 09-07-2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stroked & Blown (Post 578859)
You may want to contact Insite - If I recall correctly, he had part numbers for off-the-shelf hardware to build your own drop links.

Thank you sir....have not heard from him in a long time.

Wonder if he bothered to go bigger diameter in the front....

steved0x 09-07-2018 04:26 PM

Front is bigger and threaded part is bigger too, much beefier...

Stroked & Blown 09-08-2018 09:47 AM

If I have time tomorrow, I will pull measurements from mine.

steved0x 09-08-2018 11:29 AM

I got:

* 100mm for the red body
* jam nut 7mm
* top of end link to red body, 50-52mm, 2-3 threads showing
* red body 20mm across on the round parts
* end link width about 35mm
* end to end, 100mm for body + around another 100mm for the ends

jaykay 09-08-2018 02:18 PM

thank you very much! hard question but do the fronts look over designed? Would the rears suffice if they fit?

Yes, I should be doing a comparative sway bar torsional analysis of S vs GT3 and front vs rear sections....

steved0x 09-08-2018 05:07 PM

The Tarett rear go fine with an oem.front sway bar, but maybe a gt3 front swaybay transmits more force to the drop links? Look at how thin the oem drop links are. However i have no idea :)

P_Carfahrer 09-10-2018 03:51 PM

Jay,

OT,

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Stroked & Blown 09-10-2018 05:01 PM

@steved0x The GT3 bar is shaped differently than the factory bar, so I’m pretty sure it’s a length issue.

maytag 02-07-2020 05:41 PM

Hey y'all:

You who've installed the tarret front sway bar: did you find the drop links need to be shorter than those for the rear?

I bought the SPL PRO adjustable links. They're great for the tarret rear bar, but they're too long on the front.

Unless there's a trick I don't understand?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...12bb907e24.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9f0053c2ae.jpg

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steved0x 02-08-2020 12:01 PM

The tarett front drop links for GT3 front sway bar on the boxster are shorter than the back ones. The OEM fronts are too long, and aftermarket links that fit the back are too long for the gt3 front bar. You want the sway bar end parallel to the ground (yours looks close) so it looks to me those SPL are too long. If they are the same SPL part # as the backs, then for sure they are too long :-(

Edit: looking on the SPL site I don't see a short front drop link designed for GT3 front bar retrofits on the 986.

maytag 02-08-2020 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 611456)
The tarett front drop links for GT3 front sway bar on the boxster are shorter than the back ones. The OEM fronts are too long, and aftermarket links that fit the back are too long for the gt3 front bar. You want the sway bar end parallel to the ground (yours looks close) so it looks to me those SPL are too long. If they are the same SPL part # as the backs, then for sure they are too long :-(

Edit: looking on the SPL site I don't see a short front drop link designed for GT3 front bar retrofits on the 986.

Thank you.
That's the same conclusion I've come to as well. I found the tarret part and I've ordered it.
But the guy I bought all of this from, my o'hlins, my sway bars, and my end links, insists that I'm crazy because hes running the same set up on his 987 and all the parts are the same.
Whatever....
I'm going to have a set of SPL end links for sale.... hahaha

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steved0x 02-08-2020 08:13 PM

The 987 is a little different in the front, the lower spring perch is a little higher which may mean the pinch bolt that holds the upper end of the sway bar link is a little bit higher too. From looking at your picture, yours are juuuust barely too long, like maybe 3/4"? So maybe it would work on a 987? I'd be happy to make a measurement on mine and compare with my 986 (both on stands at the moment), but if you ordered the tarett already you have it covered and I think you'll be happy with them, they are what I am running.

maytag 02-08-2020 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 611481)
The 987 is a little different in the front, the lower spring perch is a little higher which may mean the pinch bolt that holds the upper end of the sway bar link is a little bit higher too. From looking at your picture, yours are juuuust barely too long, like maybe 3/4"? So maybe it would work on a 987? I'd be happy to make a measurement on mine and compare with my 986 (both on stands at the moment), but if you ordered the tarett already you have it covered and I think you'll be happy with them, they are what I am running.

Yeah..... so..... it looks like he ordered (or tarret sent) the wrong bars, too.

I went and dug the wrappers out of the garbage (see image)

The 987 rear bar is much larger than the 986 counterpart.

The front bar is the same diameter, but I don't know in what ways they might be different. They're clearly a different part number. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...db725e3886.jpg

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truegearhead 02-09-2020 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by maytag (Post 611484)
Yeah..... so..... it looks like he ordered (or tarret sent) the wrong bars, too.

I went and dug the wrappers out of the garbage (see image)

The 987 rear bar is much larger than the 986 counterpart.

The front bar is the same diameter, but I don't know in what ways they might be different. They're clearly a different part number. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...db725e3886.jpg

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The 987 bar is wider and won’t fit. You’ll know it’s a 987 bar if the round tabs welded onto the bar don’t match up with the sway bar bushing mounts on the car.

Do you have both sides of the car jacked up? If you only have one side up you won’t be blue to connect the bar (it will be under tension and the links won’t reach)

maytag 02-09-2020 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truegearhead (Post 611487)
The 987 bar is wider and won’t fit. You’ll know it’s a 987 bar if the round tabs welded onto the bar don’t match up with the sway bar bushing mounts on the car.



Do you have both sides of the car jacked up? If you only have one side up you won’t be blue to connect the bar (it will be under tension and the links won’t reach)

Which bar are you saying is wider, front or rear?

Both bars are installed in the car. The rear is already attached to the end links.

The car has all 4 corners on jack stands.

There are no tabs welded to either bar, there are "collars" that came with it in a bag, to be fitted by the installer and then cinched down with screws.

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steved0x 02-09-2020 11:56 AM

I've got a pic somewhere of a 986 and 987 bar, the bars are slightly wider end to end and the collars are in a different place. If the collars were installed in the right place, I think the extra width probably wouldn't matter. Backs are the same form factor and should be interchangeable.

steved0x 02-09-2020 01:18 PM

Here is a red 987 gt3 bar (TPC i think) on top of my old Tarett 986 GT3 front bar. Except for being slightly wider and the different collar locations, it is the same. I didn't try moving the 986 Tarett to my Cayman (maybe the Cayman needs that extra little wodth) but i doubt that extra width from the 987 bar would hurt going onto the 986, since it has adjustable shaft collars.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1581286489.jpg

maytag 02-09-2020 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 611506)
Here is a red 987 gt3 bar (TPC i think) on top of my old Tarett 986 GT3 front bar. Except for being slightly wider and the different collar locations, it is the same. I didn't try moving the 986 Tarett to my Cayman (maybe the Cayman needs that extra little wodth) but i doubt that extra width from the 987 bar would hurt going onto the 986, since it has adjustable shaft collars.



http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1581286489.jpg

Steve, dood, you're such a stud. HAHA. This is PRECISELY what I was looking for.

From the photo, it doesn't appear that there's much (or any) difference in the "lever arm" shape, or length. This was my biggest concern.

So I think I'll probably be okay with the front bar, and just using the shorter tarret drop links.

On the rear, I'm being told that the boxster and Cayman have nearly identical corner- weight numbers, and that this 22.2mm bar is the one I want, as opposed to the 19.1mm that tarret has for the 986. Does that seem to follow your own experience?



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steved0x 02-09-2020 03:50 PM

It looks like you got the Spyder/Cayman R rear sway bar, it is a little thicker/stiffer. I've actually got the reverse, I have a thicker front sway bar (that red tpc bar) paired with a smaller sway bar, and I was able to find a setting that works, so you probably can too. Run the front a little stiffer. If you try it and can't get it dialed in, maybe we could trade my "regular" tarett rear bar for your thicker one? But I bet you can find a setting that works :cheers:

Edit: you could email Tarett and see if they can add a row to this spreadsheet for that Spyder rear bar, or I can remember that password for my old computer I could get to my spreadsheet and calculate it:

http://986forum.com/forums/511625-post9.html


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