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Dubaday 01-08-2016 12:15 PM

Ruined my clutch racing...
 
HAD an oem bone stock 3.2 boxster S, until the maserati to my left rev'd til i rev'd back....and here i am. Looking to performance tune this ocean metallic blue beauty back to life.
SPEC stage 2 clutch, AASCO lwfw a good combo?
Any thoughts or opinion will be very much appreciated:cheers:

Fintro11 01-08-2016 01:00 PM

maybe you need an automatic ?

landrovered 01-08-2016 03:16 PM

Buy a Camaro, a Boxster is a lousy drag car. You are going to break a lot of stuff if you insist on drag racing.

jdraupp 01-08-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fintro11 (Post 479284)
maybe you need an automatic ?

OR learn how to drive stick?

RedTele58 01-08-2016 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479281)
Any thoughts or opinion will be very much appreciated:cheers:

Yup. You're not driving a straight line car. :rolleyes: Leave that to the knuckleheads in their Mustangs and Camaros.

j.fro 01-09-2016 04:24 AM

I've had the Aasco LWFW and a sprung Spec stage 3 plus clutch in my autocross car for 5 years/40K+ miles and it works great. If you are going with the LWFW, be sure to get a sprung clutch, not the solid unit that would match the dual mass FW.
There is certainly a difference launching with the LWFW and a grabby clutch. It takes minimum 2k revs, fast feet, and nobody in front of you.
While the 986S is no wheelie-bars&parachutes drag car, it's not a turd off the line either.

Prelude Guy 01-09-2016 07:49 PM

Besides j.fro, some pretty lousy responses.

Blowing an older clutch while launching a car has nothing to do with driver skill or it being a straight-line car. He's enjoying his car. These kinds of things happen.

Smh

78F350 01-09-2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Prelude Guy (Post 479465)
Besides j.fro, some pretty lousy responses.

Blowing an older clutch while launching a car has nothing to do with driver skill or it being a straight-line car. He's enjoying his car. These kinds of things happen.

Smh

There are strong opinions among the forum members about street racing. Threads have been locked and people have left the forum. Reading the title, " Ruined my clutch racing...", I figured that someone had a bad day at the track or at an AX event.
Nope, it was kid doing stupid stuff in his Boxster:
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...until the maserati to my left rev'd til i rev'd back....and here i am.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1452410411.jpg

If the OP had simply said that he had a bad clutch and was looking for recommendations to replace it, the responses would have been very different.

landrovered 01-10-2016 04:16 AM

Fixed it for you: "I ruined my car trying to show a BMW owner that my penis was larger than his. Do any of you know of any good penis enlargers that I might try?"

kk2002s 01-10-2016 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by landrovered (Post 479472)
Fixed it for you: "I ruined my car trying to show a BMW owner that my penis was larger than his. Do any of you know of any good penis enlargers that I might try?"

I've heard that a 2016 Mustang Shelby gt350 will gain you a few inches

Mark_T 01-10-2016 07:45 PM

One hard launch is not going to smoke a clutch. Doing it n a regular basis will, and I think that's the real story here.

CHRISP357 01-10-2016 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by landrovered (Post 479472)
Fixed it for you: "I ruined my car trying to show a BMW owner that my penis was larger than his. Do any of you know of any good penis enlargers that I might try?"

Geez, I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties old lady! Maybe he was doing it for fun?

jdraupp 01-11-2016 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark_T (Post 479578)
One hard launch is not going to smoke a clutch. Doing it n a regular basis will, and I think that's the real story here.

Exactly. And I'm gonna guess by the lack of replies by the original poster that we are all right. He bought a Porsche thinking he'd be the envy of every Mustang owner at stop lights. With a record of 0-34, two tickets for street racing and a burned up clutch he thought he'd come here and find out how we win our stop light drags only to find out he bought a car that isn't designed for that.

Next, his "lightly used" boxster will show up for sale in classifieds with a "might need clutch work" tag line.

landrovered 01-11-2016 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CHRISP357 (Post 479581)
Geez, I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties old lady! Maybe he was doing it for fun?

Any time you want to go on a track you let me know girlfriend, but street racing is irresponsible, dangerous and stupid, so if that is no fun at parties then yeah, I'm a buzzkill.

Dubaday 01-11-2016 05:30 AM

negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

johnsjmc 01-11-2016 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479604)
negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

Agreed . I, just joined the dark side after driving air cooled 911s for 40 years. A stock clutch is good for about 60,000 mi +/- . Maybe your clutch was due for failure anyway.

landrovered 01-11-2016 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479604)
negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

20 something with Porsche has sad feels because forum does not elect him king after breaking his car and the law.

JayG 01-11-2016 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 479617)
Agreed . I, just joined the dark side after driving air cooled 911s for 40 years. A stock clutch is good for about 60,000 mi +/- . Maybe your clutch was due for failure anyway.

sure, 60k +- 60k miles
There is not a "set" mileage for a clutch. Its wear depends on how the car is driven and kind of driving

If you are a dickhead and drag race the car, it won't last as long

A LWFW and Spec clutch is not for street driving.

This forum is far and away the best of all the Porsche forums

Mark_T 01-11-2016 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479604)
negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

You were expecting maybe an "Attaboy" for coming on to a Porsche enthusiast forum and bragging about how you thrash on your car in a way that it was never intended to be used? Or perhaps you expected a bunch of guys who race their cars responsibly on the track to be impressed with how you endanger the lives of other people that have to share the road with you? Really?

A few years from now, if you survive, you will look back and realize what a dumbass kid you used to be and understand where the people slamming you are coming from. I shake my head at the stupid stuff I did with cars when I was in my teens and I am both lucky and grateful that I survived it.

jdraupp 01-11-2016 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479604)
negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

Join a Honda civic forum.

911monty 01-11-2016 09:44 AM

It's a lot like this...... How to go from Hero to Zero in under 5 seconds.:rolleyes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pgm8I0B8bY

geraintthomas 01-11-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark_T (Post 479632)
You were expecting maybe an "Attaboy" for coming on to a Porsche enthusiast forum and bragging about how you thrash on your car in a way that it was never intended to be used? Or perhaps you expected a bunch of guys who race their cars responsibly on the track to be impressed with how you endanger the lives of other people that have to share the road with you? Really?

A few years from now, if you survive, you will look back and realize what a dumbass kid you used to be and understand where the people slamming you are coming from. I shake my head at the stupid stuff I did with cars when I was in my teens and I am both lucky and grateful that I survived it.

But in all fairness to him, have you never driven enthusiastically on the public road after your teens? Even if it's with another driver?

Ever?

As much as I completely agree with your post, think about giving him some slack as we've all done it, and some still do. It's good to 'use' the car now and again, take it above 5,000rpm, to keep everything in good shape and lubricated. Unless you live right next to a track, there's no way you could keep that up on a regular basis - and by keep that up, I don't mean drive like an ass either.

I'll give an example. I live close to the Brecon Beacons and, when the weather permits, I take the car up there for a great drive as they're some of the best driving roads in the UK. Clear roads, see for miles around each bend, beautiful scenery - it's very safe. But admittedly on the odd occasion, I will put my foot down a little if the road is clear, the weather is good and the lights turn green on a junction. I'd never 'race' someone more than the first few seconds of this, and straight line speed on a motorway does nothing for me and is plain dangerous. I've never driven like an idiot, not even in my teens. I've owned a few performance cars and have done the fore-mentioned reasonable spirited driving many times - I've never had an accident or put anyone to risk.

The only difference between myself and this guy is that he told us about it, and damaged his car in the meantime. That didn't help, but there's no proof here that he drives like an ass, or is a 'dumbass kid'. He just put his foot down on this occasion and cocked up.

Again, not slating your post at all and your point is 100% valid, but cut him some slack. We've all been there.

Dubaday 01-11-2016 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by geraintthomas (Post 479642)
But in all fairness to him, have you never driven enthusiastically on the public road after your teens? Even if it's with another driver?

Ever?

As much as I completely agree with your post, think about giving him some slack as we've all done it, and some still do. It's good to 'use' the car now and again, take it above 5,000rpm, to keep everything in good shape and lubricated. Unless you live right next to a track, there's no way you could keep that up on a regular basis - and by keep that up, I don't mean drive like an ass either.

I'll give an example. I live close to the Brecon Beacons and, when the weather permits, I take the car up there for a great drive as they're some of the best driving roads in the UK. Clear roads, see for miles around each bend, beautiful scenery - it's very safe. But admittedly on the odd occasion, I will put my foot down a little if the road is clear, the weather is good and the lights turn green on a junction. I'd never 'race' someone more than the first few seconds of this, and straight line speed on a motorway does nothing for me and is plain dangerous. I've never driven like an idiot, not even in my teens. I've owned a few performance cars and have done the fore-mentioned reasonable spirited driving many times - I've never had an accident or put anyone to risk.

The only difference between myself and this guy is that he told us about it, and damaged his car in the meantime. That didn't help, but there's no proof here that he drives like an ass, or is a 'dumbass kid'. He just put his foot down on this occasion and cocked up.

Again, not slating your post at all and your point is 100% valid, but cut him some slack. We've all been there.

I appreciate it geraintthomas. I did put some info out there others would have left out, but that's how it happened, sad to say but mistakes happen. Didn't know I'd get this much insults about it. No one was in harms way, i could see at least a mile behind and in front of me, no on-ramps coming up either.

So this is pretty much play by play how i was shifting;
doing 60-63 in 6th
rev matched and dropped it to 3rd
about 6k rpm and shifted into 4th and thats where things went wrong.
I believe i didn't engage the clutch fully before shifting into 4th, and now it doesnt want to go into any gears without excessive force. Thus why i need a new clutch/fly setup. For nice weather long drives, and occasional track use.

landrovered 01-11-2016 10:46 AM

For a bone stock Boxster, go with a stock clutch and I personally recommend a dual mass flywheel unless you like metal clacking sound from your transmission. A sprung clutch will reduce clacking but the dual mass eliminates it. I think the gain from a single mass flywheel is not worth it. I had one in my 3.6 and took it out. sitting at stop lights with your car sounding like pieces are going to fall out from underneath gets old very fast.

geraintthomas 01-11-2016 11:05 AM

If it helps I had an Exedy clutch for my last Celica T-Sport, but was an OEM replacement and wasn't a Stage 1. Even so it was phenominal, brilliant pedal feel with a fantastic bite. I'd recommend it :)

Prelude Guy 01-11-2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by landrovered (Post 479600)
Any time you want to go on a track you let me know girlfriend, but street racing is irresponsible, dangerous and stupid, so if that is no fun at parties then yeah, I'm a buzzkill.

I could make the same argument about tracking. Going to the track is dangerous and stupid. Every single event I have been to there has been at least one person who has wrecked their car in some fashion. In fact, one car spun directly in front of me at Summit Point in turn 10. He put my life in danger!!! Last year an instructor died.

Technically, we are all, as you said, "irresponsible, dangerous, and stupid"! We bought sports cars! We all have driven them aggressively in some form. Driving fast around a turn is equally "irresponsible" as launching a car from a traffic light.

Driving aggressively in any situation is dangerous! And you put in a 3.6L engine! Why do you need to go faster?! Not safe, man! Not safe at all!

It's funny how you associate drag racing as a manhood issue, yet you think tracking a car is different. Smh

It's not that you are a buzzkill at parties. It's just that you are a hypocrite! :rolleyes:

jdraupp 01-11-2016 01:47 PM

Prelude Guy, going to the track, you sign a waiver. Every party there knows exactly what they are getting into. When you decide to do the same stupid BS on a public road, you're taking everyone else's lives in your hands and the only two people consenting are the two idiots dragging.

Don't compare apples to oranges dude, entirely different. Especially since going to the track is a legal and responsible way to enjoy the car, while stoplight drag racing is illegal and irresponsible. Enough said.

luckyed7711 01-11-2016 01:56 PM

The guy didn't ask for someone to tell him how to drive. He asked about his clutch. I applaud the members who excercised the self restraint and civility to stick to the topic.

landrovered 01-11-2016 02:27 PM

Prelude Guy,

Track days:
1. Legal
2. Sanctioned events (PCA, SCCA, 24 hrs Lemons, Chumpcar etc.)
3. Educational with path to professional licensure
4. Held at facilities designed for high speed driving
5. Marshalls control events
6. Fire & Safety Crew on hand
7. Emergency Medical Personnel on hand
8. Communication system in place
9. Limited access to track for pedestrians & animals
10. Many schools exist to help drivers perfect their skills

I am not even going to bother to contrast street racing to this list as it is obvious and a waste of time. As to your inference that we all break the law the reality is I drive my bright ass yellow 3.6 Porsche in a more responsible fashion than my daily driver because everyone in my neighborhood knows who's car it is, it sticks out like a sore thumb and I am a cyclist and I know what it is like to have idiots drive by you at a high rate of speed and I don't wish to be "that guy."

Every place you go you are in someone's neighborhood, there is no place where people want you to drive by their house at high speed. Some people have a thing called self control because we have lived through events that have taught us to curb our testosterone and act in a manner that is not injurious to ourselves or people around us.

If you have so much mental struggle that you cannot control yourself and your vehicle in a safe and legal manner then I suggest you sell our car immediately before you hurt yourself and or someone else.

CHRISP357 01-11-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by landrovered (Post 479600)
Any time you want to go on a track you let me know girlfriend, but street racing is irresponsible, dangerous and stupid, so if that is no fun at parties then yeah, I'm a buzzkill.

This isn't Georgia so I won't be your girlfriend. Flattered though. I guess.

CHRISP357 01-11-2016 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubaday (Post 479604)
negativity here is unreal. thanks a alot

Not really, just a few mouthy old losers who are terrified of human interaction but thrive in the anonymity of forums. Ignore them and they'll go away. Fix your clutch and go find that Maserati!

BIGJake111 01-11-2016 05:48 PM

I'm 18 and I'm as much of a buzzkill as the others here. Stop endorsing showboating and irresponsible driving.

I drive my car quick and enjoy it as most others here do but I respect the car and the others around me. Yes I speed. Yes I speed a lot sometimes but you'll never see me racing, dumping the clutch, etc. that's not even what the car is made for.

JayG 01-11-2016 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 479726)
I'm 18 and I'm as much of a buzzkill as the others here. Stop endorsing showboating and irresponsible driving.

I drive my car quick and enjoy it as most others here do but I respect the car and the others around me. Yes I speed. Yes I speed a lot sometimes but you'll never see me racing, dumping the clutch, etc. that's not even what the car is made for.

Unfortunately Jake, you are the exception, not the rule for people 18-25
Why do you think the insurance companies charge more for men (boys) under 25?

As far as tracking your car vs street racing, one is accepted risk with safety rules and procedures in place and the other is just irresponsible and dangerous

Look what happened to Paul Walker when the moron driving the car did stupid things on city streets

luckyed7711 01-11-2016 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyed7711 (Post 479699)
The guy didn't ask for someone to tell him how to drive. He asked about his clutch. I applaud the members who excercised the self restraint and civility to stick to the topic.

Wash, rinse and repeat. "Just sayin' "

At the same time, to stay in the spirit of things, does anyone know the URRL for the "Bloviating Gasbag Forum"??

jdraupp 01-11-2016 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyed7711 (Post 479736)
Wash, rinse and repeat. "Just sayin' "

At the same time, to stay in the spirit of things, does anyone know the URRL for the "Bloviating Gasbag Forum"??

Quoting yourself?

geraintthomas 01-11-2016 10:48 PM

Wow. I completely forgot I signed up to ProtentiousPolice.co.uk.

This has gotten out of hand. Could people stop comparing him to street racing and do two things. 1. Look at what he said. He put his foot down for a matter of seconds. 2. We've all done it. Stop talking as if it's some sort of taboo subject, we've all done it and, like I've mentioned in my previous post, some still go out for a spirited drive. He put his foot down for a few seconds against another car on empty roads and everyone calls him an idiot. Simmer the f**k down lads.

Stay on topic and give the guy a break.

geraintthomas 01-11-2016 10:50 PM

Oh and no one else is endorsing driving like an idiot. Look at the facts and look at people's responses. It's pretty disgusting as a community to be this harsh over this small of a matter.

landrovered 01-12-2016 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CHRISP357 (Post 479723)
This isn't Georgia so I won't be your girlfriend. Flattered though. I guess.

Damn and I thought you had such a purdy mouth.

pilut2 01-12-2016 05:34 AM

Quote:

So this is pretty much play by play how i was shifting;
doing 60-63 in 6th
rev matched and dropped it to 3rd
about 6k rpm and shifted into 4th and thats where things went wrong.
I believe i didn't engage the clutch fully before shifting into 4th, and now it doesnt want to go into any gears without excessive force. Thus why i need a new clutch/fly setup. For nice weather long drives, and occasional track use.

I've botched a few aggressive shifts in my day, but never broken anything. All judgement aside- are these symptoms indicative of a blown clutch or a transmission issue? If the clutch is gone- one botched shift didn't do the damage- did it?

geraintthomas 01-12-2016 07:39 AM

It's possible, as I did exactly the same thing.

Years ago with my old Celica T-Sport at the Brecon Beacons, I was pulled over and decided to see how the car would set off with quite a harsh launch. Needless to say I didn't do it again as it slipped in a few gears for about 10 minutes later, and about an hour later I had to engage gears with a huge amount of force.

The thrust bearing was the culprit, but they obviously come as part of a clutch kit and is part of the procedure in changing a clutch. Basically what's happening is that the clutch isn't releasing all of the way when it should when your foot is pressed down.

To test this, go on a flat piece of road and put it in first. With your foot on the clutch, the car would creep forward ever so slightly (or stay still on a slight slope). When you take it out of gear, the car would return back to normal (or start rolling backwards on a slope).


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