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Old 10-03-2013, 02:19 PM   #1
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Excellent point Brad,but based on testing done by Raby years ago ,it dosent sound like a good idea,he has his reasons and i am sure would have come up with something similiar in design if he felt DOF ect had some merit.He already has direct oil feed at part off the solution so he knew about that benefit and simply removing the outer bearing seal would have been a simple soulution that he obviously decided againt for reason addressed below.
Having Jake chime in on this topic has definately got me questioning DOF as the final fix.I just wish i dident need to pull and split my motor to install.But thats the deal!
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:59 PM   #2
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There are many examples where common "engineering' sense proved disastrously wrong: the Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows bridge, the Challenger space shuttle, etc. Moreover, people assume that more oil is better simply because it's more oil. However, a fire hose doesn't water a small vegetable patch any better than a garden hose; a 10' deep swimming pool doesn't make a swimmer any wetter than a 5' deep one.

BTW: where are the facts / data that suggests dual row bearings fail because they don't get enough oil. Remember these failing bearings are sealed and therefore internally lubricated. Pumping external oil onto a sealed bearing won't help much if at all. The fix is to replace the OEM bearing with an unsealed dual row one. To date, there are no dual row LN Retrofit bearings failures even though these retrofits are splash oil lubricated. DOF contends it will extend the operating lifetimes of unsealed bearings, but the vendors won't say by how much. If they have, I haven't been able to find the estimate.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:06 PM   #3
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Guys,
Nothing in the mechanical world is perfect. Every mechanical design has its compromises, whether they are cost, packaging, fitment or complexity.

I respect all competing technologies and those who have developed them. Without those types of things there would be nothing to inspire me to continually evolve the components, processes and tools. Its also a free market place and we are all given equal opportunities to create what we feel is the best way of solving any given problem.

The biggest compliment I've had in a while was ordering some "competing technology" (to evaluate on the dyno) and finding that the IMSB extraction tool that I invented was being bought from a distributor and then remarked and re-sold by the competitor, as their own. Thats nothing new, and to be expected.

Thats ok, the first generation tool is now out of date and the new tools are the way of the future. The current tools will soon go away and the competitor will have to do something else, or sell a tool with my trademark on it. The processes have never been easier and safer to carry out both from an extraction and installation point of view than whats made possible by this tool. Remember, without the tools and processes that I created these "options" wouldn't be out there; because you couldn't extract the bearings (at least the dual row IMSB) to allow for retrofits. When I developed this procedure it was thought to be "impossible" or black art. The day I posted the first IMSB retrofit procedure on my website it went viral and the site had over 30,000 unique visits in a 48 hour period. Today people forget about the conversations of yesterday where people were arguing about whether or not an IMSB could even be extracted. Then there was no other choice, either you bought what the pioneers offered, or you didn't buy anything. Its rather funny that one of the developers of competing technology actually utilized the LN IMSB in his own car prior to developing his component, but I respect him for admitting that. We even tried to help the guy out.

And yes, 2014 will find yet another IMSB retrofit evolution release. In fact, the "faultless tool" is required to install it. This unit is developed as a mid price point retrofit not costing as much as the IMS Solution, but offering more life than any single row 6204 style bearing. The IMS Solution solves the problem, but it isn't for everyone, primarily due to cost and the extra special care required to properly install the component.

Some contend that the bearing isn't the problem and that lubrication is. We contend that the OEM ball bearing and its multitude of moving parts, that lead to engine-wide collateral damage after bearing failure is the problem. Its okay to disagree and none of us are really ever going to be proven right, or wrong, so it really doesn't matter.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:45 PM   #4
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Jake,

Are the rumors that are spewing from the Vatican true - that you're coming out with the much anticipated "IMS Absolution" ?
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:56 AM   #6
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Jake,

Are the rumors that are spewing from the Vatican true - that you're coming out with the much anticipated "IMS Absolution" ?
We already released it.. We kept it simple and just called it the Solution.. But not everyone can afford it, so a semi version of it is being released... It's not a plain bearing, though.

I'd like to have a hi-res version of your image to put upstairs in my admin area :-)
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We already released it.. We kept it simple and just called it the Solution.. But not everyone can afford it, so a semi version of it is being released... It's not a plain bearing, though.

I'd like to have a hi-res version of your image to put upstairs in my admin area :-)
Send me a pm with an email to send it to.
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