Oil Recommendation ?

[Jager]

Originally Posted by paulv

I used Motul 5W-40 Xcess for 3 oil changes after the factory fill, but still had noticeable valve train noise on startup. I never used M1 0W-40 as I use that oil in the wife's MB E320 and there's always startup noise. I went with M1 5W-40 for two oil changes but had valve train noise again. I just recently went with Redline 5W-40 and the valve train noise is virtually gone. BTW, the UOAs on the Motul and M1 5W-40 oils were good, it was just the noise that bothered me.

I called Redline and they told me that their product is higher in ester than other PCMOs. Since ester is a polar molecule, it will stick to metal parts.

Regards,
paul...

OK Paul I just ordered some Redline 5W-40 I will report my experience after my next oil change.

[paulv]

Originally Posted by Jager

OK Paul I just ordered some Redline 5W-40 I will report my experience after my next oil change.

Good luck with it. I also thought about using Motul 300V, but this is essentially a racing oil and I worry about cat converter compatability. A while back I was checking RLI's oil (Renewable Lubricants) but when I called to inquire about the HTHS rating, they never really answered my question -- they gave me a long, drawn out response but since I'm not a lube engineer, I couldn't make any sense of it. They do show it as meeting ACEA A3 (1998) which has the >= 3.5cP HTHS requirement.

Regards,
paul...

[Jaak]

My engine rebuilder recommended Castrol Synted 5W40 for my Boxster. Engine was rebuilt as PO had added 4 extra liters of oil at a gas station ... she did not have a manual and read the dipstick wrong. I have used it in my 2010 F150 and it seems to run better with better gas milage. He warrants the engine and said I should not have any issues with Castrol. I am looking at upgrading to the L&N spin on oil filter kit before I put it in storage for the winter.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Jager

OK Paul I just ordered some Red Line 5W-40 I will report my experience after my next oil change.

Back in October said I would try Red Line synthetic oil. I purchased a case from Racer Parts Wholesale (best price I could find), and with my last oil change poured 9 quarts into the Jägermobile. The first thing I noticed is on cold starts there is no more lifter/valve train noise, which is something I would hear for about 10 seconds after startup, I still have a little chain noise until the tensioners pump-up but it’s much quieter on cold start-ups. I also notice it takes more time for the engine to come-up to temperature, which was a surprise. The next thing I need to check is how much ferrous metal is sticking to the magnetic drain plug when I change the oil next time (in a couple months). I will take pictures and compare with previous pictures/amounts when using Mobil 1, I will post those results. So far I am sold.

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

What is the weight of the Red Line you used ?

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Idaho Red Rocket 3

What is the weight of the Red Line you used ?

I am currently using Red Line 5W40.

[Jager]

OK Danger, I just changed my Red Line motor oil and did a comparison of how much ferrous metal was on my magnetic drain plug as compared to using Mobil 1. I consistently change motor oil every 3500 to 4000 miles and ran my last oil change of Red Line 5W 40 running just over 4000 miles to make sure I had a good comparison. I can without a doubt say there is much less wear (less metal on the magnetic drain plug) using Red Line. There was approximately 50% of the ferrous metal on the magnetic drain plug as compared to the amount found using Mobil 1. I attached a couple of photos of my drain plug, one showing how much ferrous metal was on the plug while using Mobil 1 (this was a consistent amount found on multiple Mobile 1 oil changes), and the second photo shows how much ferrous metal was on the magnetic drain plug after running Red Line. Unfortunately I did not have my camera set correctly and my second photo sucks. You can still see the difference even though it’s a bad photo (I will have to make sure my camera is setup correctly next time I change my oil so I can take a better picture).

Mobil 1




Red Line




I wish I had known about Red Line 200,000 miles ago.
Quieter startups
Motor takes longer to warm-up
Less wear on the motor

[paulv]

Originally Posted by Jager

Back in October said I would try Red Line synthetic oil. I purchased a case from Racer Parts Wholesale (best price I could find), and with my last oil change poured 9 quarts into the Jägermobile. The first thing I noticed is on cold starts there is no more lifter/valve train noise, which is something I would hear for about 10 seconds after startup, I still have a little chain noise until the tensioners pump-up but it’s much quieter on cold start-ups. I also notice it takes more time for the engine to come-up to temperature, which was a surprise. The next thing I need to check is how much ferrous metal is sticking to the magnetic drain plug when I change the oil next time (in a couple months). I will take pictures and compare with previous pictures/amounts when using Mobil 1, I will post those results. So far I am sold.

Jäger,

Glad to hear you're enjoying Redline. I have had the same experiences as you except I can't comment on the warmup time (because I never noticed it). I have a couple of thousand more miles to do before I change out the oil and get an UOA -- I'm also interested to see what the Fe levels are.

Regards,
paul...