Changing oil type question

[Jake Raby]

Are you saying the Syntec is from a "different group" than the M1? So a flush would be recommended in this case?

Yes. The polymers and other elements that comprise the two are different enough that I'd want to see a flush before making a long term change to the different product. Thats just me, many others have done it with no ill effects that we know of.

How do you do the flush? What type of mineral oil and where can it be found?

To complete a flush, something like valvoline racing oil could be used in a conventional formula.. Run that for 15 minutes, then dump it and refill with the new oil.

I have a break in oil product that works very well also, but only if you'd be swapping to our "Flat 6 Oil" for the long term.

What do you mean when you say "As we work to finish the completion of our oil"?

Just that. My company and LN Engineering becgan development of our own oil back in 2006. We teamed up with Joe Gibbs Racing oil to create this product as well as a line of products for our aircooled Porsche engines, oddly enough we refer to this as "Snake Oil". The aircooled oil is now in service in our aircooled engines (has been for 18+ months with excellent results)and being sold to those purchasers as a mandatory service fill for the engine's entire lifespan.


Lubrizol recently sent me the final five gallons of a new 5-40 Group 3 Synthetic oil that will be the "Flat 6 Oil" of the future. This is the culmination of 4 years+ of development and application. We'll continue using this in our engines, gathering UOA and testimonials from our purchasers and test engines. I'd expect it to go on sale to the general public in late 2011 or 2012 at a cost of around 13.00/quart. This oil will require a flush fill before it can be used in any engine that formerly used Mobil 1.

I know UOA is used oil analysis, but what's the TAN?

Total Acid Number- One of the biggest portions of any oil analysis.

[clickman]

Snake Oil - I love it! Can't wait to see what the water-cooled version's gonna be called.

Jake, how different are the TAN numbers with or without flush? I don't track my car.

Is this the Valvoline you're referring to?

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/racing-motor-oil/6

Assuming I do this (not yet decided), does the weight make any difference (for 15 minutes)?

What about just using the cheapest dino oil available if it's only for 15 minutes?

[Jake Raby]

Jake, how different are the TAN numbers with or without flush? I don't track my car.

Different enough.. I'd rather not state numbers to keep people from throwing out technicalities.

Is this the Valvoline you're referring to?

Yes.

Assuming I do this (not yet decided), does the weight make any difference (for 15 minutes)?

Not really.. But I'd use something light to help with lubricity in the short run time when the oil temps won't get very high.

What about just using the cheapest dino oil available if it's only for 15 minutes

Nope.. Use something that has a good detergency pack, it'll do the best job of flushing the polymers and etc from the previous oil.

[Fluellen]

Hmm... is it April Fools Day today in Georgia?

[clickman]

Considering the car will be sitting for 6-7 months (maybe more) after this oil change, I want to make sure I'm not obsessing about deteriorating engine components while it sits. Ok, yes, I'm a Type A personality.

Jake, the only Valvoline VR-1 non-synth I can find is 20W-50. Will that do?

What about just using this Amsoil flush instead?

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2763.pdf

Or Motul Engine Clean? (scroll about 3/4 down)

http://motul-canada.com/en/products/products_list.html

I would add one of these to the existing Mobil1 (~5000 miles on it), drain it with the M1, and then refill with the Castrol, run a few minutes, and then put into storage.

Thanks.

[Jake Raby]

No April fools day joke here.. No one else was crazy enough to call an actual oil product, Snake Oil" and thats why I did it.

DO NOT use an engine flush in an M96 engine, it flushes all the contaminants into the tensioners and lifters and CAUSES problems as they are at the end of the oil system! I've seen it often!

Use the 20/50 valvoline non-synthetic. Thats fine for a flush.

[BYprodriver]

Jake is Flat 6 doing Oil analysis for customers?