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thstone 04-25-2018 12:43 PM

House started the swap this morning at 9am. The old engine was out after lunch.

The pro's make it look easy (as compared to my hack DIY skills!).

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524688909.jpg

bkovac 04-25-2018 05:59 PM

So a 3.8L is going in Tom, I am sending the scrutineers

thstone 04-25-2018 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkovac (Post 568744)
So a 3.8L is going in Tom, I am sending the scrutineers

3.8's are soooo 2016. I assure you it'll be a 4.0 liter.

Geof3 04-25-2018 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 568729)
House started the swap this morning at 9am. The old engine was out after lunch.

The pro's make it look easy (as compared to my hack DIY skills!).

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524688909.jpg

Tom... is it just the picture being somewhat distorted, or is that UDP all bent to hell?

thstone 04-26-2018 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Geof3 (Post 568766)
Tom... is it just the picture being somewhat distorted, or is that UDP all bent to hell?

I didn't take the photo so I don't know for sure but I'm going to guess that its a distorted photo. I plan to drop by the shop today and I'll confirm.

thstone 04-27-2018 09:22 AM

Everything has been swapped over and the replacement engine has been installed in the car! They should have it running by the end of the day. :D

They'll drive it on Monday to make sure that everything is ok and it should be ready for pickup on Tuesday.

The small pile of parts to the right of the top is the tip wiring harness, a/c compressor and lines, exhaust manifolds, and alternator (the bearing sounded rough so they swapped in the old one). The idler and tensioner pulley's were also replaced with new components since they were rough sounding.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524849412.jpg

thstone 04-27-2018 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geof3 (Post 568766)
Tom... is it just the picture being somewhat distorted, or is that UDP all bent to hell?

Photo distortion. The UDP is fine. :)

thstone 04-27-2018 09:36 AM

Ok, check this out....

Here is the oil filter from the failed engine just as it came out of the engine. It looks like the oil pump was sucking so hard that it collapsed the filter. Is that possible? Weird. :confused:

There wasn't any metal in the oil or the oil filter but the shop said that they found coolant in the oil when they drained it. There is also a ton of oil in the intake runners. I plan to get the engine back to my workshop and will disassemble it to try to determine the exact failure.

And at the bottom is a pic of the failed engine looking pretty sad after being raided for parts to swap onto the replacement engine. :(

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524850335.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524850355.jpg


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1524850381.jpg

Quadcammer 04-27-2018 10:57 AM

blown AOS resulting in a broken ring?

seningen 04-27-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Quadcammer (Post 568909)
blown AOS resulting in a broken ring?

I'm thinking that's the case -- was there any smoke out the back?

Mike

911monty 04-27-2018 03:40 PM

Let's try this one. Cracked cylinder/head #4/5 ? resulting in coolant in the oil. Oil filter is downstream of the oil pump so sees pressure not vacuum. Coolant saturated the paper filter media which swelled closed causing high DP across the media resulting in element collapse. Excessive vapor from coolant in the crankcase overwhelmed the AOS resulting in failure.

thstone 04-27-2018 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seningen (Post 568920)
I'm thinking that's the case -- was there any smoke out the back?

Mike

No smoke at all.

thstone 05-01-2018 08:53 AM

Replacement engine installed! Used engine runs great. I'll put some miles on it today and maybe run it on the dyno tomorrow...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525193617.jpg

AZ986S 05-01-2018 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 568922)
Let's try this one. Cracked cylinder/head #4/5 ? resulting in coolant in the oil. Oil filter is downstream of the oil pump so sees pressure not vacuum. Coolant saturated the paper filter media which swelled closed causing high DP across the media resulting in element collapse. Excessive vapor from coolant in the crankcase overwhelmed the AOS resulting in failure.

Failure mode #???

Yeah was going to say filter is post pump. I can’t think of another way that the oil filter collapsed other than it absorbed coolant/water. These are not designed for separating water. Maybe a synthetic media filter would have done better? I.E. spin on.

The other question is: did the coolant in oil make the AOS fail? Funny that there was no smoke but there was a ton of oil in the intake...

I’m thinking more and more that the AOS didn’t fail, that is was just oil starvation caused by the crushed filter, destroyed / spun bearing somewhere?

Topless 05-01-2018 07:22 PM

I'm guessing failure of the engine oil cooler or an internal freeze plug causing intermix> collapsed filter> blown AOS> Oil in the intake. The motor is full of goo but if no metal debris it may be salvageable.

thstone 05-01-2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZ986S (Post 569266)
Failure mode #???

I'm having the old engine moved to my house and will do a tear down. Stay tuned...

thstone 05-01-2018 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 569254)
Replacement engine installed! Used engine runs great. I'll put some miles on it today and maybe run it on the dyno tomorrow...

I drove the car about 60 miles around LA's freeway's today (mid-day to avoid traffic!). Had the opportunity to do a few 0-80mph runs while shifting at redline on the 110 Frwy north of downtown LA where the freeway on-ramps are about one car length. Engine seemed to have good (normal) power and ran perfect.

The only thing that I noticed was that the water temp was a little higher than it used to be - and then I remembered that I forgot to have the shop swap over the low temp thermostat from the old engine to the replacement. Guess what I'm doing this weekend? (might even replace the water pump while I'm in there).

Off to the dyno tomorrow...

thstone 05-06-2018 08:05 AM

The dyno wasn't available last week so I decided to just go to Willow Springs on Friday to test. I did 4 x 30 mins sessions and the engine ran perfect. It was easy to do 1:35 lap times on a fairly warm day. I'll try to get onto the dyno this week just so I know where this engine stands in terms of power.

The most interesting thing about an open test day is some of the other cars that show up...

Like this LeMon's Flying Pig car...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622600.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622624.jpg


Or this BMW spewing fuel from the right rear corner on every left hand turn...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622660.jpg

Geof3 05-06-2018 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 569596)
The dyno wasn't available last week so I decided to just go to Willow Springs on Friday to test. I did 4 x 30 mins sessions and the engine ran perfect. It was easy to do 1:35 lap times on a fairly warm day. I'll try to get onto the dyno this week just so I know where this engine stands in terms of power.

The most interesting thing about an open test day is some of the other cars that show up...

Like this LeMon's Flying Pig car...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622600.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622624.jpg


Or this BMW spewing fuel from the right rear corner on every left hand turn...

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1525622660.jpg

Wow...:eek:

Smallblock454 05-14-2018 09:10 PM

Some news what caused the engine failure? Oil filter looks pretty trashed. What brand was it?


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